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Reeve Explains 'Muhammad' as Dog's Name

The San Juan Capistrano councilman says the choice was meant to teach his kids about freedom, not as an insult to Muslims. Two disapproving colleagues scold him for "unacceptable" comments.

, was not meant to be disparaging to Muslims, San Juan Capistrano Councilman Derek Reeve said Tuesday.

In offering the first explanation of why he chose the name, said it was a decision made by his family in an exercise of free speech after teaching his children that in some parts of the world they could be sentenced to death for doing so.

Reeve mentioned his dogs' names Sept. 6 (the other is named America), as the council voted on in the Northwest Open Space.

Dogs are traditionally considered unclean in the Arab world—a perception that caused Councilman to ask the rest of the council to talk about proper decorum at Tuesday night's City Council meeting.

"We are in a position of authority. It's important we choose our words wisely," Kramer said. "I hope the council will say this kind of speech is not OK."

Kramer asked the council to discuss its standards of conduct and to rewrite its rules on decorum—requests that went unfulfilled.

Reeve, commenting on the 45-minute discussion that ensued with comments from the public, said, "What's most offensive [to me] is that we're not talking about anything important. We're talking about my damned dog."

Some residents agreed. Several who spoke during a public hearing said they preferred to have the council focus on other, more "pressing" issues, such as the city's infrastructure, high water rates and finances.

Reeve at some points during his explanation got choked up. He said this week had been a difficult one, with a "terrorist organization" reprimanding him for his public declaration of his dog's name.

Mayor Sam Allevato also had harsh words for Reeve.

"You have to be really careful about what you say" from the dais, Allevato cautioned. "These types of comments are not acceptable" and could lead to what some could consider a hostile work environment for City Hall employees, he said.

Allevato said a Muslim in the audience during the last City Council meeting was offended by Reeve's remark. He also said allowing such comments to be made would be a "slippery slope."

But Karen Lugo, a Riverside attorney who specializes in free speech, said "council members are free to speak in their individual capacity as public leaders."

"There is just simply no authority" to regulate decorum, she said.

Although stories about Reeve's comment got picked up by local and national media, Reeve said he received 100 emails supporting him.

On Friday, the Greater Los Angeles area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations asked Reeve to apologize for his comment. In a press release, it said he showed "disrespect toward Islam’s revered prophet Muhammad by making [the] derisive public comment."

"I'm asking for decorum on the dais. Yet if we can't do that, all is lost," Kramer said, adding that this is "not a Muslim issue."

Also at Tuesday's meeting, the City Council:

  • Because the meeting went until midnight, the council postponed to Oct. 4 its discussion about Reeve's .
  • It voted 4-1 to—at a later date—rescind a 2009-open space agreement with the developers of a
  • Gave city staffers the go-ahead to start making improvements to the lemon grove site in the Eastern Open Space. The project includes installing an irrigation system and park benches, planting 218 valencia orange trees and holding a public contest to rename the new park.

... stay tuned for further coverage of the council's actions.

Eric September 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM
Of course, it is obvious. It is only because Kramer and Allevato are cowards and are selling out our freedom to the Muslims.
Eric September 22, 2011 at 11:54 PM
Excellent post.
Angi Stamm September 22, 2011 at 11:58 PM
First TO:KC who says "Hmmmm, what happened in Yorba Linda that was related to Islam? Oh I remember!" (with link to inaccurate smear video posted by CAIR regarding protest in Yorba Linda) This video shows disrespectful idiots at night outside the Islamic Community Center heckling muslims, this was not organized by ACT for America and there is not proof this is Tea Party activity either. ACT did have a peaceful protest earlier in the day at the community center, to raise awarness of the evening event at the community center, which had invited two radical Islamic extremist to speak and denounced the "white man" as the enemy and called for "war" and "jihad" against America....Second, the guy has the right in America to name his dog whatever he wants - end of story. However, this is San Juan Capistrano and they fine people who have Christian Bible Studies in their home. Mr. Reeve move to Arizona you will be welcomed here.
Eric September 23, 2011 at 12:08 AM
You are missing the point. Muslims need to accept that they have no special power or control in this society to control speech, ideas, actions, or anything else. If they cannot (as this story and a million others suggest) and use threats of violence or threats of threats of violence, then they cannot be a part of our scoiety. I am already convinced that Muslims cannot be a part of American society.
Mach037 September 23, 2011 at 12:10 AM
Perfect replies, Eric and George Abrahams. All the evidence I find points to Islam and Shariah as not being compatible with the US Constitution. The sooner that becomes known to Liberals the sooner Islam will get the "respect" it deserves. Not all religions deserve the protection of the Constitution.
Mach037 September 23, 2011 at 12:16 AM
Jenna wrote: "Dogs are traditionally considered unclean in the Arab world—a perception that caused Councilman Larry Kramer to ask the rest of the council to talk about proper decorum at Tuesday night's City Council meeting." This makes it sound like Kramer wants to align himself with the Arab World rather than his own constituents. Are we living In the Arab World or the Western World?
Eric September 23, 2011 at 12:21 AM
dead on it, Mach. We see here how the liberal media is doing its part to destroy our society with insidious little bits like that from Jenna. By writing that in a non-judgmental way, she is attempting to lend legitimacy to that view. That same sort of suicidal journalism is found in the New York Times and all the other liberal publications out there. But the thing is, we see it as plain as day and it makes us Americans angry that our tradition of freedom and tolerance within the law is being poisoned from within and without.
Carole Matson September 23, 2011 at 12:32 AM
To socalfam. Hello dear ones, Carole Matson here. First, I'm so sorry I was not at the meeting, you see I am extremely disabled, with terminal cancer. So I cannot always go and do what I like. Oh, second, you state that I do not live in SJC...again, dear ones, I do live here and love this city tremendously. I live right up the hill from where we fought on the measure that you said I was a "political opponent...I am a hard core conservative, a long time Christian and I stand up for what I believe in. I do not agree with the Muslim religion, however Jesus taught us to love EVERYONE as ourselves...love the sinner, hate the sin. It is not my place to judge their religion, nor is it Reeve's place to put their religion in the gutter. I love all people, and in that I stand by my comments. You dear one, should be more loving to people like me. Carole Matson
chandamamo September 23, 2011 at 03:39 AM
Our Great Nation was built on the value of respect and religious pluralism. OC residents support and thank Mayor and Larry Kramer for their your voice on equal rights for All Americans, including Muslims, and all other religions. I am shocked shocked by the comments of Mr. Reeve. These types of comments are against our American Values and Respects.
rick lyons September 23, 2011 at 03:55 AM
Carole Matson, I am so sorry to hear about your terminal cancer. My heart goes out to you for that. However, you have not been very congenial to anyone that disagrees with your political views. Derek Reeve is also extremely disabled and has not figueratively speaking stand up to what you have complained about. I am sure Mr. Kramer is very sorry that he took your side. If you are truly the hardcore conservative and long time Christian that you say that you are, you would have never supported Measure B as you did. In addition, you would not have criticized someone for the name of their dog. You state "it is not your place to judge their religion", well you certainly had not problem making a judgement on the name of their dog. It is obvious that your stating that you are a hardcore conservative and a long time Christian are false. Mr. Reeve did not put anyone's religion in the gutter. His only crime is naming his dog a name that you did not agree with.
Mach037 September 23, 2011 at 05:11 AM
To Carole Matson's reply to socalfam: "... love the sinner, hate the sin." In this case, I believe you are saying the sin is Islam. I agree, so I think I'll go on hating Islam. The sin, their religion, belongs in the gutter.
Pete0097 September 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM
My dogs name is Paco and he produces little muhammads when I take him out for a walk. That way the people in my neighborhood aren't offended when I call the excrement other more common names like "poop"
John Shade September 23, 2011 at 12:39 PM
An excellent article from April, 2008 describing what islam is not, including a "saturation index" of what happens when a % of a nations population is islamic. http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675 "Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components......." Click the link above for entire article
Carole Matson September 23, 2011 at 05:17 PM
Good morning Rick lyons and Mach037...regarding your comments. I'd like to understand your thinking. So, lets say there is a Principal of a school whose son owns a snake. They decide to name that snake, lets say, "Dike". Then the Principal takes the snake to school show and tell and announces to all that they named the snake "Dike", giggles about it. We all have freedom of choice, we all have free speech, thank our Lord, however when you are in the public arena, you must be cautious and conscious of the way you exercise those very special rights. Carole Matson
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:10 AM
I hope he didn't name his dog after the "pedophile Mohammed". The ONE that had a 9 year old wife!
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:14 AM
it has been said that Appeasing Islam is like swimming in shark infested water with an open wound.
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:18 AM
Koran: 009.123 "Believers, fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear him"
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:21 AM
KORAN: 048.029 "Mohammed is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to on another"
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:23 AM
KORAN: 008.039 "So fight them until all opposition to Islam ends and all are obedient to Allah"
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:29 AM
KORAN: 033.021 "You have in the Messenger of Allah a beautifull pattern of conduct fo any one to follow" No wonder that many people say that the terorist have not corrupted their religion, ISLAM has corrupted them.
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:37 AM
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The KORAN should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth" CAIR board chairman: Omar Ahmad 1998
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:40 AM
CAIR has just lost its tax exempt status. http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/hamas-linked-cair-loses-tax-exempt-status.html
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:42 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/06/hamas-linked-cair-loses-tax-exempt-status.html
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:45 AM
KORAN: 008.007 Allah wished to confirm the truth by his words, "wipe the disbelieving infidels out to the last"
nick September 25, 2011 at 06:59 AM
KORAN: 008.059 "The Infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them"
infidel4life September 26, 2011 at 04:20 AM
TY for the saturation index (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675) i have to show more people that
rick lyons September 26, 2011 at 10:35 PM
Carole, unfortunately you missed the City Council meeting. Had you been there, you would have heard the constitutional attorney tell the City Council, that just because you are a City Council member you do not give up your freedoms. One of those freedoms, is the freedom of speech. She also cited case law in regards to that. I respectfully disagree with you. The public arena is no different than the private arena. I talk the same way privately as I would publicly. Don't you? In regards to your snake analogy, there is nothing wrong with the name Dike as there is nothing wrong with the name Mohammed. You can make a big deal out of anything you want to, if you choose. For me, if I had terminal cancer like you said you did, there are allot more things that I would choose to do with my life than worry about a dog named Mohammed.
Carole Matson September 26, 2011 at 10:48 PM
This is not about the law, its about loving thy neighbor as yourself. I do not dislike Mr. Reeve, just his comment. Just because there is not a law about it, would you go up to someone who is mentally challenged and tell them "YOUR STUPID"!!!!?
Mach037 September 26, 2011 at 11:21 PM
Carole Matson's comment of "Ths is not about the law..." shows that she is clearly not up to the debate, considering the example she provided.
Carole Matson September 26, 2011 at 11:32 PM
Oh dear ones....you "seem to be" so full of hate; anything I say cannot get through to you two. I will continue to pray to our dear Lord that He will open your eyes; that you will not be so frigid in your thinking; so unable to open your hearts to others who are not just like you and that you read your Bible and understand God's Word. I will no longer be responding as it is useless.

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