Terms and conditions 132 acres

Restrictions against alcohol unless approved by RMV agrees for specific event.
Restrictions against alcohol unless approved by RMV agrees for specific event.
Screen shot of terms and conditions for land use at new park. Alcohol is only permitted for specific events as allowed by RMV. As I understand these terms each even would need to be approved before alcohol could be consumed on this site.
Donna Fleming December 12, 2013 at 05:16 AM
The new park slated to be used for events has very specific conditions on use. Contract specifies no consumption of alcohol. I do not see how this park would be appropriate for a wedding if you could not serve champagne. And, rodeo's without beer? Guess they will be serving cokes. As a place to hold events, this is not going to be a hot ticket.
Adam December 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Donna All parks within San Juan Capistrano prohibit alcohol, as do most cities. Alcohol is permitted for events through the proper use applications and ABC permits. It has been like this for decades. HTC Park for example also specifically prohibits alcohol, yet alcohol is served at most of the city and private events through the proper permits. Nothing unique here.
Gus Gunderson December 12, 2013 at 12:09 PM
The difference is that you have a former land owner dictating the terms and use of public property. Not normal.
Donna Fleming December 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM
I noticed that too. San Juan Capistrano bought the land, and wants to generate income to maintain the property by way of events. But, each event application would have to be approved by Rancho Mission Viejo. The former owner still has jurisdiction over use. And, our SJC city council bought this land.
Adam December 12, 2013 at 05:19 PM
I think it would be helpful for the readers if you could list the sections and pages that you found these references. From my understanding, the references to alcohol prohibition pertain to the parcels within the 132 acres that have pre-existing Conservation Easements that have to remain intact. I believe there are listed "do not disturb" and "sensitive habitat" areas signed into conservation easements. These do come with use restrictions that were part of the signing documents when the area was signed into the easements (probably long before the sale). This typically occurs when a piece of property is signed into a habit conservation plan. These easements carry on in perpetuity regardless of transfer of ownership of the property. There are many parcels throughout the County, owned by private and public entities that have such easements. In these cases, the actual land owners cannot make changes to these areas without approval by the easement holders, who in turn typically have oversight by the agencies responsible for the HCP, more than likely the US Fish and Wildlife Service. I think the readers would benefit greatly by viewing the text. One reason I typically stay away from these boards (especially in our town), is that there is a definitive divisiveness that exists; and both sides seem to have dug their heels in so deeply that neither side can acknowledge that there may be some points of concession and agreement on both sides. It's like two people staring at each other through one-way glass, without the ability to occasionally look back in the other direction. The following link is the purchase agreement so readers can read the entire text if desired. https://docs.google.com/a/irconservancy.org/file/d/0B2w-EI-a3jg3b3dqX2k3SFdrQ00/edit
Donna Fleming December 14, 2013 at 02:06 PM
Adam... Do you have any idea "why" our city council chose to buy this 132 acres in RMV? We have to maintain it at about $300,000.00 a year. Lots of people are asking why we bought it? One person suggested his guess was to have a "buffer" between SJC and RMV. With out city in dept, the current recession economy, and the unemployment in California I am wondering why we bought this land? It is really not suitable for events, due to the the various restrictions. And, our city is not in the events business. Regarding divisiveness...it was not here when I moved here in 1999. It has errupted within the last 9 years.
Gus Gunderson December 14, 2013 at 05:35 PM
Thank you for providing the link. However, this link only provides 169 pages of the 196 page purchase agreement.
Donna Fleming December 14, 2013 at 08:19 PM
http://ranchomissionviejo.com/villages/ This gives you a picture of where the park is and where the new homes are.


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