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Water Education

For those of you wondering if we need an alternative source of water, please attend the SJC City Council meeting on Oct. 14. A presentation will be made by the Municipal Water District of Orange County on the state's water-supply system and the $25 BILLION plan to fix the Delta. Learn from the experts.

shelly October 20, 2013 at 02:44 PM
Are some of you saying that we do not have to worry about water in SJC or Southern Cali? And that Lake Shasta and Lake Oroville are not low? And that there is no drought in the Colorado River basin? And we should not conserve or have a back up plan for water? We should just trust that there will always be a steady supply. And that everything is a conspiracy when it comes to any water information?
shelly October 20, 2013 at 03:12 PM
The O.C. Register has a front page article today on the delta project. And it is interesting because people on both sides of the delta project feel there is a growing water shortage.
Steve Behmerwohld October 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM
And the silence is deafening.
Mark Springer October 22, 2013 at 01:07 PM
No silence here. This delta is in my neck of the woods. It just took a couple of days to get the paper in the mail. I need to read the same thing you are reading. In reading the OC Register, the 25 billion cost is spread out over the next 50 years. It is not all due in one lump sim. Most of us will be long dead by the time this is funded and I am sure new water sources will be found by then that are less expensive. The pie chart shows that only 17% of that water from the delta will actually be delivered to Southern California. Not the 100% that has been implied here. It is always interesting, because when there is lots of rain, all of these arguments go away.
shelly October 22, 2013 at 04:41 PM
Mark Springer, What new sources? Can you be specific? I think that is the point that some people are trying to make here. Do you feel SJC should just rely on MWD and not have any backup or any alternative source of water? Some people are pushing for total reliance on MWD.
Mark Springer October 22, 2013 at 04:53 PM
I did not identify new sources. I alluded that in the next 50 years "new water sources will be found by then that are less expensive". If you don't believe that, then you don't believe we put men on the moon multiple times either. Tell me about your back up water supply? It took me exactly 29 seconds to find out that Diamond Valley Lake in Hemet (quote from the official website) " The lake holds enough water to meet the area’s emergency and drought needs for six months and is an important component in Metropolitan’s plan to provide a reliable supply of water to the 18 million people in Southern California who count on us." How much of an emergency water supply do you need? I am sure your city has more emergency water supplies or do I need to do more of your homework for you?
shelly October 23, 2013 at 09:56 AM
Mark Springer, So are you saying we should just rely on MWD and not develop or rely on any alternative sources of our own?
Mark Springer October 23, 2013 at 01:37 PM
Wikipedia placed the population of your city at 34,593. It is not cost effective with a population of a city that size to develop a alternative water resource. That is why city's pool (MWD) resources to make water affordable. If you don't believe me, look at your water bills and then look at the water bills of your neighboring cities. Which is more affordable? Let's say your city developed a alternative water source that was reliable. If the surrounding cities were low on water, would you refuse them water and say tuff luck? Of course not. But by selling them water, you are now in the water business. Does your city sell water outside of the residents of your city?
shelly October 23, 2013 at 02:30 PM
Mark Springer, Most other cities in the surrounding area do not have full dependence on MWD but a combination of groundwater recovery, wells and imported water from MWD. This is what we have now in SJC. I am not saying it is not wise to pool water. What I am saying is that it is also wise to have your own backup. You may feel differently. Our water in SJC is not expensive. You state that new sources will be developed within the 50 years that it will take to fund the Delta project. How will these new sources be developed if everyone just puts all their eggs in one big basket? Innovation occurs when people look for alternatives to the status quo.
Mark Springer October 23, 2013 at 03:16 PM
Specifically, what cities in your area "do not have full dependence on MWD" ?? So, what your saying is that all the cities should not pool the water, but it should be everyone for themselves? How much backup do you need? It took me 29 seconds to locate a six month backup water supply with Diamond Lake. How much of a backup water supply do you need? If everyone worked independently we would not have made it to the moon. But with a collaborative effort by all parties, The adventure to the moon was successful. If you feel that every city must work independently, then go ahead work independently. Watch your water costs go even higher.
shelly October 23, 2013 at 04:16 PM
Mark Springer, San Juan Capistrano, Dana Point, San Clemente, Long Beach, etc. Um, do you actually read what I post? Specifically, "I am not saying it is not wise to pool water. What I am saying is that it is also wise to have your own backup." We have only 7 days of back up water for the surrounding communities if MWD supplies goes down. The 6 month back up plan you are speaking of is through MWD. Collaboration is good but everyone needs a back up plan and we should all be seeking alternative sources of water so that we have more sources to pool. Right? Or are you saying we should rely only on MWD? Did we rely on engineering and scientific information and collaboration to come from one entity or source to get us to the moon? No. Should we rely on this now for innovation? No.
Mark Springer October 23, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Frankly, unless it is on these comments I do not remember it. Dana Point and San Clemente have a similar population. Long Beach does not. So what is your point ? Your back up water supply is more than most second or third world countries. Take your pick which country. Now that it is documented that you have more than a six month back up supply of water, how much back up supply of water do you need? With that much water, you are being a bit of a water hog.
shelly October 23, 2013 at 11:30 PM
Mark Springer, You asked, "Specifically, what cities in your area "do not have full dependence on MWD" ?? " I answered. Do you not read your own posts or others?
Mark Springer October 25, 2013 at 12:18 PM
The first item you research when a person makes a comment and it is incorrect, then you have to disregard everything else that person writes. As an example: According to the 2010 San Clemente Water Management Plan, of the 10,090 acre feet of total water used 85% (8,570 acre feet)of that water was imported from the MWD. The groundwater supplied only .06% (620 acre feet) of water to that city. The balance was recycled water. With 85% of San Clemente's water derived from the MWD and only 6% from groundwater! your statement that San Clemente does not have full dependence on MWD is not factually correct is it? I will not waste my time doing the research on any other cities for you. This is the second time you have factually made an incorrect statement. Don't waste anymore of my time throwing stuff out there just to see what sticks.
shelly October 26, 2013 at 04:59 PM
Mark Springer, Since when is 85% considered 100% dependence? Why so angry and insulting? I will ask again. Do you feel that everyone should just put complete dependence on MWD and not have any other source of water?
Mark Springer October 26, 2013 at 06:53 PM
Recycled water is non potable. Only six percent is derived from ground water. I don't believe the population and businesses could survive on 620 acre feet (6%) of water a year. That means San Clemente is completely dependent on the water from MWD. If I lived there, I would not have a problem placing my confidence in one water source. Obviously, San Clemente does not either.
Jonathan Volzke October 27, 2013 at 04:01 AM
Mark, You are mistaken on two counts. If you believe recycled water is non-potable, please check out the Orange County Water District's groundwater replenishment program, which takes recycled water and percolates it into the groundwater basin. Additionally, San Clemente is a partner in the Doheny desalination project, so apparently leaders there are no so comfortable with a single source of water. By your own definition, your factual errors means we should all disregard everything you say.
Mark Springer October 27, 2013 at 11:20 AM
The law requires recycled water to be pumped in purple pipes where possible to denote that it is recycled water. Where recycled water is used in irrigation in your city, I am sure there are small signs by the purple pipe recycled water pipe designating it as recycled water and non potable, do not drink. Taking recycled water and percolating it into the groundwater basin is the natural way to filter water. The term is actually called osmosis. Again, as someone who represents water interests, I am surprised that you did not know that. Please show me in the 2010 San Clemente Water Management Plan which page states how many acre feet of water the City of San Clemente has received from this desalinization plant as a partner? I could not locate it. It is unfortunate as a person who represents water interests, that you are not better educated in water.
shelly October 27, 2013 at 02:18 PM
Mark Springer, http://www.scwd.org/water/watersupply/desalplant.asp Here is some information for you. There really is no need to insult people when you post. It seems to me that you very much believe in full dependency on MWD. This is your opinion. And just because some cities have this does not mean that it is the correct way to go for all. I live here and am raising my children down here. As a parent I feel there should be a back up plan for water beyond MWD in case of an emergency or a supply issue. You do not have to agree and that is okay. I also feel that innovation comes from seeking out alternatives to the status quo.
Mark Springer October 27, 2013 at 03:39 PM
How much backup water supply do you need? You have more than a six month supply of emergency water not including however much water in however many reservoirs you currently have. You continually post statements that are factually incorrect. If you feel there should be more of a backup plan than six mints, please don't place that cost on backs of others or take more of our water from the north to meet your insatiable demand.
shelly October 27, 2013 at 05:22 PM
Mark Springer, Have you actually read the posts? What are you talking about? Please explain the insatiable demand in regards to any of my posts? Building groundwater recovery plants, promoting conservation, building a desalination plant is not taking water from the north or the river. It is providing alternative sources to pool with the communities down here. It is promoting local water sources. Why do you oppose these things? We have a 7 day back up system if something happens to MWD. Is it your opinion that we should only depend on MWD who supplies us with mostly imported water?
Mark Springer October 27, 2013 at 05:30 PM
You have more than six month supply of backup water. How much backup do you really need? At what point will your thirst for water stop? If you are not taking our water here in the north, then please stop taking it.
shelly October 27, 2013 at 05:50 PM
Mark Springer, Read what I wrote and what others wrote. No one is advocating for taking more water from the north. What does, "If you are not taking our water here in the north, then please stop taking it." mean?
Mark Springer October 27, 2013 at 06:00 PM
For the third time, how much water do you need for backup? Your city already has over a six month backup supply now.
shelly October 27, 2013 at 09:51 PM
Mark Springer, If there is an emergency or disaster that cuts off normal water supplies than we would need water to sustain us until the problems are repaired. So how ever long the cut off lasts would be my answer to your question. You seem to imply that we should put all our trust in MWD and imported water. I state that we should have a back up plan for water and find and develop alternative sources of water besides imported water and you call me a water hog. Do you feel that all the answers and innovation and resources should come from MWD?
Mark Springer October 28, 2013 at 10:02 PM
Please name the disaster there in Southern California that cut off water to residents for more than 14 days?
Mark Springer October 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM
I will make it easier for you. Can you name one time that your town has been without water due to a natural disaster for 24 hours?
shelly October 29, 2013 at 01:00 AM
Mark Springer, So you are saying that we should not plan for any kind of disaster like an earthquake for instance? I feel that we should plan for these things. Do you feel that we should not be researching and developing alternative sources of water? Or do you feel MWD should be the only source of water which is mostly imported? Yes or no?
Mark Springer October 29, 2013 at 05:05 PM
Thank you for answering zero of my questions to you For the fourth time, you have over a six month supply of water for an emergency. The planning has been done, implemented and the projects built. I have already already answered your question. Do you not read what I post? I am done trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone who makes posts and statements prior to completing any type of research.
shelly October 29, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Mark Springer, I do actually read what you write and I have answered your questions. I would suggest that you do the same. You can be done or you could actually read what others have written and actually respond to what was actually written and the actual questions without insults and that would be a conversation. Southern California is dependent on imported water. You seem to imply that since we have not had a major disaster that has impeded the flow from the North or the river or from local sources then we should not prepare for any disaster because it has never happened. Is that logical in your view? Many places all over the world and our nation have experienced devastating disasters that took a much bigger toll because they were not prepared for the disaster. Do you feel that we, in SJC, should not seek alternative back-up sources of water to MWD sources in case there is a break down in supply from either their regular source or their emergency source? Do you feel that SJC should not seek to recover its groundwater, encourage conservation and invest in a desalination plant? These will provide less dependency on water from the North and the river.

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