San Juan Holds a Town Hall Meeting about Illegal Immigration

Three top law enforcement officials say Wednesday they're doing the best they can with the limited resources they have.

Top immigration officials said Wednesday that they are doing the best they can with the limited resources they have to clamp down on illegal immigration.

The city of San Juan Capistrano hosted the panel, which included Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens, Timothy Robbins, director for the Los Angeles field office of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Chief Patrol Agent Paul Beeson of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s San Diego division.

About 60 local residents attended, most of whom demanded more vigilance in the effort to stem the tide of illegal immigration.

“We’re not here because we think a great job is being done,” said resident Clint Worthington. “We’re tired of people driving around without a license and insurance.”

He and other residents called for unlicensed drivers to be taken into custody and their cars impounded as a way to get more illegal immigrants off the streets.

But a continual theme the panel members sounded is that they can’t pursue every illegal alien with equal vigor. They have to decide which should and should not be detained, acknowledging that some do fall between the cracks.

“I wish I had a lot more room in my jails,” Hutchens said. “It gets down to, who do I let out? In a perfect world, anyone who commits a crime, we could keep them in jail. But we don’t live in a perfect world.”

The panel did call out efforts to show that they are making the most of the resources they do have. For example, ICE rents several hundred  beds at Orange County’s low-security James A. Musick Facility near Lake Forest to house detainees waiting for possible deportation, Hutchens said. They’re criminals who have served their time but cannot be deported yet.

The detainees are eventually handed over to federal authorities, Robbins said. Some are released back onto the streets if they post a bond. But if they are to be released, it is from a federal facility, not straight out of Musick in Lake Forest.

“We have 8,000 law enforcement officers. We can remove 400,000 aliens a year. If they gave us more money, we could deport more,” he said.

The Sheriff’s Department also trains a number of deputies in immigration procedure so that they can help determine whether someone in custody is an illegal alien, Hutchens said.

She considers the program “robust.” Between January 2007 and January 2012, 145,000 inmates were screened, 18,317 were interviewed by the specially trained deputies and officials placed an immigration hold on 14,967 of them. Those identified have a very low rate of returning to the criminal justice system in Orange County, she added.

Robbins said the Department of Homeland Security’s Secure Communities program allows the fingerprints taken from those arrested to be run through immigration databases as well as the FBI’s.

“We’re able to identify [illegal aliens] immediately,” he said. Federal agents can then make arrangements to transfer the suspected aliens during the time local law enforcement officials can legally hold them.

Members of the audience pressed Robbins to reveal the percentage of suspected illegal aliens who return to local streets. While he could not provide a number, he said in the end, a large majority do get deported.

The conversation took an emotional turn when San Juan Capistrano resident Shelby Cunningham revealed her daughter was killed by a drunk-driving illegal immigrant.

“I know I’m bitter, but I have a reason,” she said. “I do think we have a problem.”

After the presentation, Ailicec Figueroa, a 26-year-old Mission Viejo resident who grew up in San Juan Capistrano and who had voiced support for various law enforcement efforts in town – including the Gang Reduction and Intervention Partnership – went to comfort Cunningham.

Beeson said illegal immigration, at least at the border, has decreased greatly in recent years. When he first started his career 25 years ago, only 2,500 Border Patrol agents protected the entire country. By Sept. 11, 2001, that number was 10,000, and now it’s up to about 21,700.

Meanwhile, the number of people detained has dropped significantly, from more than 1 million annually to about 350,000. He credits more boots on the ground, better technology and better tactics.

“It’s certainly clear to me that this community is frustrated at the level of illegal immigration in our community,” Beeson said. “I’ve been doing this for 25 years. Please don’t think I’m not frustrated.”

Robbins added that although some in the audience were critical, he found it “refreshing” to be before such a pro-law enforcement audience.





PK February 23, 2012 at 09:50 AM
Step 1. Our Government needs to stop encouraging these people to keep having children that they cannot afford. They need to give $ incentives TO NOT HAVE CHILDREN. Free health care, lunches, schooling, even housing is paid for by the tax payers of this state, for people who are not even supposed to be here in the 1st place. Now what kind of sense does that make? None, unless you are here illegally. Because our government makes it way too easy for them to flourish here. We pay, they take. The current system is way out of balance and has become out of control.
Elsa February 23, 2012 at 02:20 PM
Isn't San Juan Capistrano a "Sanctuary City", perhaps funded through St. Joseph Sisters of Orange and our own Mission? I remember reading something to this effect. If true, then we're fighting a losing battle.
V. Duvall February 23, 2012 at 03:42 PM
It's always going to be a loosing battle. They will NEVER go away. Most of them work and work hard. The problem is that they have no medical insurance except what is funded by our government. They can't drive legally so they drive with no license and no insurance. They crash because they never properly learned to drive. They take up space in schools so classes are crowded. They get free lunch and breakfast at the public schools. Most don't pay taxes because they have no social security number. Of course when we put them in jail they get 'three hots and a cot'. Then we have to pay welfare because the bread winner is in custody. So we give them money so they can stay here. We've created our own problem. Boy, are we stupid. If illegals weren't here, we could afford school and medi-cal and all the other programs that were developed to help AMERICANS, not people that are here illegally. We created the problem and it looks like we are stuck with it. FOREVER!
Penny Arévalo (Editor) February 23, 2012 at 04:13 PM
Resident Kim McCarthy used the phrase "sanctuary city" last night. Later on, someone asked the panel if there is anything unique about the ordinances and programs in San Juan Capistrano that would make it a "sanctuary city." They said, other than being named after a saint, no.
Kim February 23, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Ever heard of Arizona?
sjcnative1 February 23, 2012 at 05:28 PM
To be fair, did you really expect an answer other than "no" on a sanctuary city? I would not expect the head of the Border Patrol agents who said he is responsible for 118 miles of out coastline to know that answer. In addition, he would have had to compare the ordinances and programs of all the other cities that he serves in San Diego and Orange Counties. Keep in mind that he just got back here a year ago after having been gone since 1985. Did you expect the gentleman from ICE to know all of SJC's ordinances and programs. He had been serving in Washington DC. I really don't believe he would know SJC that well. The Sheriff, said she has 13 contract cities and all of the unincorporated area, plus Harbor Patrol, 3200 sworn employees, etc. Did you really expect her to know the answer to that question? If I remember correctly, it was Joe Soto who was Mayor at the time who called SJC a sanctuary city. Ed Connor was the attorney who asked that question of the panel. He is also the attorney who threatened to sue the city over the parking on the north end of town on Camino Capistrano. Now look at Camino Capistrano north of La Zanja. It is beautiful. The residents can now use long park again. The accordian car is gone. The residents of our city have benefitted by not listening to Ed Connor. Yes Penny, your reporting is correct. However, there was just a little more to this story.
betzreyz February 23, 2012 at 07:52 PM
wow! so what should we do with all the Americans who keep our cities endangered because they choose to drink and drive and who are also responsible for deaths and for taking up tax money to pay for their jail cells? how about all the legal immigrants who get general relief because they are too lazy to work?
sjcnative1 February 23, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Last time I checked those Americans pay fines and also higher insurance. As for the legal immigrants, I don't know of too many legal immigrants that are living off of others. If you have gone through the immigration process which is not easy to become a naturalized citizen, you show a propensity for hard work, which is not a characteristic of someone living off of taxpayer money.
Kim February 23, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Who would ever think you could go to another country, demand that everything is in English, receive free medical care, a free education, food stamps and all the other "give aways" illegal immigrants have here. It is simply non-sense and we are paying the price.
Dave Francis February 23, 2012 at 11:10 PM
Everybody is complaining about both parties in Washington, but cannot find a few minutes to contact their Senators or Congress persons at 202-224-3121 and demand the vote for both federal MANDATORY E-Verify or amend the ‘Birthright Citizenship' Bill. Once enacted into law a massive exodus will commence, as illegal aliens and family members will return to their country of origin.
Kim February 24, 2012 at 01:17 AM
Dave, you are right, but, our own City would not agree to a mandatory e-verify, so where does that leave us? Reform should be started by citizens at the City level and move upward. Illegal immigration is too much of a political hot potato for politicians to handle, Sadly, we are left with no alternative but to pay the price.
Matt Gaffney February 24, 2012 at 05:56 PM
My first thought on this meeting was why was it scheduled at such an inconvenient hour? I'd have liked to attend but 4-6 pm on a workday is tough to schedule. Perhaps there might've been greater attendance had it been scheduled in the evening. In reading the reports it appears that it's the same old thing. There's not enough law enforcement to adequately address the situation. If Capo could afford to blanket the city with Sheriffs things might change, but the city just doesn't have the money. Apparently neither do the Feds.
SJCNative February 25, 2012 at 12:52 AM
It is not the number of deputies Matt, it is that they do not have enough jail cells. The private sector has to do more with less, so should the public sector. Arizona puts them on tents and it works ok for them .


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