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Alpay's Deceptive Website Comes Down

The Capo Unified school board member disables his site, which hijacked the name of a group that criticized him and instead sent visitors to a site supporting his re-election bid.

Capistrano Unified Trustee John Alpay has disabled a misleading website address that impersonated a group of his critics but instead sent visitors to a site supporting his re-election campaign.

he owned www.holdcusdaccountable.com, which is identical to the real Hold CUSD Accountable site, except it uses a dot-com suffix instead of dot-org.

According to Internet hosting site GoDaddy.com, the misleading website was purchased in June, just a day after Hold CUSD Accountable announced its formation to seek change within the Capistrano Unified School District.

Alpay's site redirected traffic to the Capistrano Unified Children First website, which endorses his re-election bid. But the holdcusdaccountable.com URL remained in the address bar.

A lawyer for the real Hold CUSD Accountable sent a letter to Alpay earlier this week, demanding the impostor site be disabled. An attorney for Alpay responded with his own letter Thursday.

“Any redirect of the website has been discontinued, without any admission,” wrote David Gabor, who practices in Los Angeles. “He has categorically not used the website for any purpose, much less as a ‘cybersquatter.’ ”

The letter paints Hold CUSD Accountable attorney Wayne Tate as a bully.

“[Y]our continued efforts to tar Mr. Alpay’s name and reputation, and your bullying conduct regarding this matter speaks volumes,” Gabor wrote.

Tate responded that Alpay was the one acting like a bully.

“If I wanted to bully people, I could take lessons from John Alpay," Tate said. "Look at how he treated poor Ken Starks.”

Alpay's deceptive site is one of eight misleading URLs that impersonated various critics of Capistrano Unified but instead took visitors to sites run Children First, Alpay or school board President Gary Pritchard, who is also seeking re-election. The other sites were disabled last week, and he had anything to do with them.

fact checker October 27, 2012 at 05:27 PM
A furlough day is a layoff day so teachers and other staff don't get paid which is why they are being considered by most school districts. More money is saved from shutting down the buildings (electricity, air conditioning, etc.) and the cuts are not absorbed only by teachers. It is also true that 15 furlough days are now allowed by STRS which makes them less of a burden on teachers who are close to retirement. Every teacher would be obligated to pay into the fund for each furlough day (which is determined by a per diem rate based on the hundreds of dollars a month they pay into the fund) and so would the district otherwise. Why would you say "not quite right" in answer to the question, Penny? It is TOTALLY INCORRECT to say teachers get paid for furlough days. This kind of wordplay is how you give the impression of bias
fact checker October 27, 2012 at 05:37 PM
Another important point here is that teachers are as eager to avoid furlough days as everyone else for personal and professional reasons. They are as aware (if not more aware) as everyone else of the importance of additional instructional time. As for adding them back in as minutes added to each day, I am not sure an additional few minutes per day would have the same educational impact as 15 full days at the end of the school year. Food for thought.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) October 27, 2012 at 05:55 PM
Because I'm being polite! I gave all the facts (which you should appreciate) and links to stories with more details. You all have enough vitriol from each other. You don't need it from me. :-)
fact checker October 27, 2012 at 06:21 PM
Not quite right implies that there is a part of it that is right. There is no part of that statement that is correct. Just say it that way... If your goal is to provide a balanced picture then you have to paint it that way. This picture is black and white...no gray involved in this particular instance. I agree there is way too much vitriol allowed here. I know it is hard to police. You can't be expected to spend all your time doing that (and it would be a full time job). The OCR found it impossible and went to requiring real names. The Patch might want to consider that if the goal is to reduce vitriol and false statements by posters. Hold people accountable.
Capo Parent October 27, 2012 at 07:07 PM
FF The teachers union want furlough days over a modest pay cut for several reasons. One, with a furlough day they don't work, with a pay cut they do. Two, teachers can now take up to 15 furlough days and its doesn't affect their pay scale and the pension contributions made on their behalf. Three, furlough days inflict the most "pain" on students & parents, the teachers union hopes this will force parents to vote for Prop 30.
Capo Parent October 27, 2012 at 07:09 PM
CPToo You seemed lost and confused again, I was trying to steer you in the right direction.
SC Parent October 27, 2012 at 07:16 PM
Thanks for being polite Penny. The reason I asked about this statement was to see if it was correct, incorrect, or partially correct. I honestly did not know and have heard it said a few times. Penny cleared it up...right? Plus more info. Why does a question have to be such a defensive issue? Anyone was free and welcomed, by me for sure, to clarify this statement. I appreciate any truthful information I learn from here no matter who gives it.
fact checker October 27, 2012 at 08:18 PM
1 and 2 I'll give you. Any breadwinner would feel the same way don'cha think? 3 is partly false. Some teachers will be voting for 30 but some won't. Teachers do not vote in a block, especially those in the OC. Their political views reflect the diversity of the communities they live and teach in. As for inflicitng "pain" on students & parents, please. You are one of a very small minority of people who feel the people who spend 6 hours a day with your child would ever wish anything but the best for them. Which is why they would like to see schools funded more.
SC Parent October 27, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Going back to the deceptive sight. I am glad it is down. I am one of those parents trying to get more educated about the situation of our schools. My child for the first time has really been affected by their huge class size, it is at the max. That is just one of the issues I am concerned with. I gave both Lang and Alpay, I believe, fair consideration. Just too many things with Alpay that show me a big red light. I can't trust him. I am ready to go with someone new, Lang, and hope for a brighter future for everyone.
OC Parent October 27, 2012 at 09:03 PM
@fact checker, so teachers do not want either furlough days nor a paycut but under the current deal they can revisit the paycut. So then the sacrifice that has already been within the deal which impacts the students is 15 less days in the classroom. Yes it impacts the teachers yet based on what you outlined not as much as a paycut would. Too bad the deal left the students short-changed without any recourse to revisit lost days aside from a tax increase.
Capo Parent October 28, 2012 at 03:40 AM
FF I didn't come up with no. 3, that came directly from several teachers I spoke with. Moreover, as I recall, the teachers union specifially stated it wanted furlough days over any pay cuts because furlough days inflicted the most pain on the students and their parents. While it is "possible" that one or more teachers "may" vote against Prop 30, but I haven't meet or spoken to a teacher who plans on voting no on Prop 30.
fact checker October 28, 2012 at 04:26 AM
Well then if you haven't spoken to any teacher who is voting against 30 it follows that none of them will? But you have spoken to several teachers who want to inflict pain on their students therefore it must be true of teachers in general? What is actually the case is that most teachers feel it is the responsibility of everyone to make up for the reduced revenues. If there is not enough money to fund the schools then it follows that school will end this year when the money runs out. This is the scenario the governor has painted and is what is predicted if Prop 30 does not pass. Some people don't believe him (including some teachers).
4 square October 28, 2012 at 05:51 AM
My decision making is simple. I watch whose signs keep disappearing. It is ridiculous in San Juan. McCormick's signs are untouched. Reardon's keep disappearing. I don't vote for crooks.
PDub October 28, 2012 at 06:36 AM
ya its been ridiculous in San Clemente too. Alpay has crews out every night taking down Lang signs....or putting up their false claim Stop Steve Lang Cell Towers on CUSD Campuses right next to a Lang sign....Genius actually....its more name recognition...and they have actually moved some signs into better locations.....
shelly October 28, 2012 at 06:02 PM
4 square, I drive to SJHHS everyday. There were many McCormick signs one day and then they were all down the next and Reardon signs were up (one even on school property). How did that happen? Now there are signs for both up. No one should remove signs.
Capo Parent October 28, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Shelly What do you think of the cyberfraud scheme of Alpay, Korpi and Children First?
shelly October 28, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Capo Parent, I think you should include whosjohnalpay site in your assessment. All are not okay. What do you think of whosjohnalpay site?
Julie Collier October 28, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Shelly, I drive to SJHHS 3-4 days a week for my son's football practice. I have seen all the signs up for weeks. In fact, just this week I was thinking how great it was for both sides that all the signs are still up. There are way more Children 1st signs than Reardon signs. Unless something happened since last Friday, you are just making this up. BTW, there is NOTHING wrong, illegal or smarmy re: the whosjohnalpay site. It just lists Alpays's votes and his comments. All public record available on 1 site. You cannot compare the redirects to this site. It's a bad and weak argument.
shelly October 28, 2012 at 06:59 PM
Julie Collier, I am not making it up. Reread what I wrote. I saw McCormicks signs one day then the next I saw Jim Reardon's signs and no McCormicks signs. Then the next there were both. I drive out there every day except Sundays. I do not lie. I am not comparing the redirects I am responding to 4 square about missing signs.
SC Parent October 28, 2012 at 07:05 PM
The whoisjohnalpay sight ...was not created by people who are representing our children, or up for re- election. Does it mislead you to another sight? Is anything untrue in the contents? How can we put our faith in people to represent our children who are misleading and scheming us..those behind the cyber fraud? If they are capable of that what comes next?
shelly October 28, 2012 at 07:11 PM
Julie Collier, In the whosjohnalpay domain name is John Alpay. It is not okay to lead people to a site containing a candidates name, John Alpay, and then bash John Alpay. And please do not try to dress the site up as anything other than a hit piece or "his voting record". It does not contain all of his voting records and it contains opinion.
SC Parent October 28, 2012 at 07:57 PM
If people have an issue with this sight why don't you take it up in a reasonable manner with who is responsible for it? The creator is not representing our children or running for the election. Not saying the site is right or wrong. On the other hand, again, the people who are behind the misleading/ cyber fraud are. Is this the behavior or type of tactics of people who we want representing our children??
Capo Parent October 29, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Shelly The whoisjohnalpay website is fine. It's legal (per the IT atty. I spoke with) and is not misleading because it doesn't just list his name, but rather raises the question of who is Alpay. Further, when you click on the website it doesn't redirect you to another website. I know you desperately what it to be illegal and misleading, but it's not though you believe it is.
Capo Parent October 29, 2012 at 01:48 PM
If you read between the lines, Shelly implies yes as long as the candidates support the teachers union and Children First. Sins and omissions by the education establishment are ok because they know what's best for our kids, not us silly parents.
shelly October 29, 2012 at 02:59 PM
capo parent, The school board should support what teachers do. They teach our children. Teachers work with our kids. It is better to work with our teachers and be willing to negotiate then to go into it with an adversarial attitude. The teachers are not your enemy. They are not the bad guys. We have good schools and good teachers in CUSD. Not perfect but good. It should be students, parents and children working together. Not the politicos.
Capo mom October 29, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Wrong shelly, that is the union's job. The school board should protect the interests of the students and taxpayers. Our school board has failed to do that. They have performed about as you would expect as puppets of the union.
shelly October 29, 2012 at 07:50 PM
Capo Mom, The school board is elected to do what is best for the education of our children. It is better to have a working relationship with the people who do 95% education our children. Teachers should never be considered the enemy. If a school board member goes into the job thinking that the teacher is the enemy and needs to be taken down then what exactly is their image of education and teachers? Our former board had a combative relationship with our teachers and it led to a strike. No other district in California has one because other districts worked with their teachers. Teachers are people. They are not thugs, lazy or greedy. Our district is filled with good teachers and our schools are good. A school board member should be able to work with all the people of the school districts parents, students, taxpayers, teachers administrators, school employees, district employees. They should respect what a teacher does. Not label them as union thugs, greedy and lazy. This is what happened before. We do not need a repeat of what happened before. And the current board has 4 reform trustees who were not union endorsed and 3 candidates who were. Trustees Brick, Bryson, Addonizio and Palazzo were all supported by the same people.
shelly October 29, 2012 at 07:53 PM
sorry I made some grammatical errors above
Capo Parent October 31, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Right, let's keep going down Shelly's path. CUSD is looking at having to cut $31 million if Brown's tax cuts pass (not looking good) or $51 million if they don't pass (yeah!), along with roughly $54 million in unfunded retiree health benefits. Notwithstanding the financial disaster waiting to happen, most people don't realize that come January 2013, many teachers in CUSD will get a 3% raise c/o step and column, with another 3% raise in July 2013 c/o step and column. This is an illustration of the financial calamity resulting from the teachers strike and the elections in 2010 that has wrecked havoc on CUSD. You're right about one thing, we don't need a repeat of the unabashed power grab by the teachers union and its allies that gave them defacto control over CUSD.
shelly November 01, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Capo Parent, There was a teachers' strike because the former board imposed a contract intead of negotiating. No other district in California had a teachers' strike because other districts worked with their employees and teachers to find a solutions to the crisis that was caused by the economic downturn in our state. People did not agree with the strife the former board brought to our district so many voters in our district voted some of these people out. The school board will need to work with our teachers to find a solutions to the extreme budget restraints that almost every district has in California. Teachers are not the bad guys. We have good teachers and we have good schools. The teachers of our district are not the enemy.

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