Brown's Revised Budget Holds Bigger Ax Over Schools

If voters shoot down a November initiative to temporarily raise taxes, school districts statewide would face $5.5 billion in cuts, about $700 million worse than what the governor estimated in January.

Gov. Jerry Brown continues to lay his hopes for state fiscal soundness on a November tax initiative, but if it doesn’t pass, schools will face additional cuts that could chop three weeks off the next school year.

On Monday, Brown revised the 2012-13 budget he first released in January. Called the May revise, his new figures reflect tax revenues that have fallen far short of earlier predictions.

“It’s a difficult budget,” Brown acknowledged in a press conference.

If voters approve his temporary tax hike measure, Brown’s revised budget would actually increase funding for schools by $15 billion in four years, or $2,500 per student.

Brown called the tax initiative reasonable.

“I think it’s fair, and I think it provides a reliable source of funding,” he said.

The influx of cash from his proposed sales tax increase and income tax hikes on the wealthy would also break the state Legislature’s habit of funding as much as 20 percent of a year’s budget the following year, in a much-maligned process called deferrals.

But if voters shoot down the temporary tax increases, the pain will be even worse than . Instead of taking a $4.8-billion hit, schools would have to bear a $5.5-billion reduction statewide, according to the May revision

“I’m planning on the voters going to say yes. I know that the voters don’t want to cut schools. I know the voters don’t want to cut law enforcement,” Brown said.

But Brown’s words had Bill Habermehl hopping mad. The soon-to-be retired superintendent of the Orange County Department of Education said he’s tired of Brown and the Legislature using education as the “whipping post” and a threat to hang above the voters' heads.

“I’m not an economist and even I can tell you: You can’t tax yourself out of a problem,” Habermehl told Patch.

But Habermehl is sounding more and more like an economist these days. He said he watches with grave concern how the business community views California. He cited Chief Executive Magazine’s recent ranking of California as dead last as a place a CEO would want to do business.

“Somebody ought to be screaming and yelling: Reduce regulations and get the economy moving again and schools will be fine,” he said.

Because the governor’s estimates of tax revenues have twice fallen short, Habermehl is not overly confident in the numbers Sacramento is using now.

“I’m more frightened now than I’ve ever been,” he said.

Meanwhile, students will be missing out on great teachers who had to be let go and important programs, such as science and the arts, that are cut, Habermehl said.

“You can never go back and give them that again,” he said.

Habermehl’s office has encouraged local school districts to plan as if the November initiative won’t pass. School boards must approve their 2012-13 budgets by June 30.

Brown said the May revise was “the best I can do.” And if the tax initiative doesn’t pass?

“Schools will suffer,” Brown said.

shelly May 21, 2012 at 04:11 AM
I have no issues with homeschooling or charters or online schools but some seem to have a problem with the choice of going to our neighborhood schools or going to a school in CUSD. They are good schools. Some say they want choices but they seem to want to insult and limit choices of others. And the reality is most people are very happy with their choices and schools in CUSD. My choices were perfect for my family. We all pay taxes that go to educate all children whether you have children or not.. Vouchers would go to private schools. Private schools can discriminate based on economics, intelligence, special needs, religion, etc. They do not have to educate all children. Yes, I am repetitive. I am responding to the same comments over and over again. Look at your own comments, they are "Get rid of the unions because it is al the teachers fault (oh but we love our teacher we just feel they make too much and they are selfish and oh, I never say anything bad about teachers) (but make sure that no one finds out that it is really a fight about political power and nothing to do with education or teachers) , vouchers, it is the fault of the illigal immigrants ." We are all repetitive. I believe that teachers, administraton and staff will take a cut but I also believe the people of the community school help. Now relax and take a deep breath. No need to insult. It is okay not to agree. Have a lovely night.
Capo mom May 21, 2012 at 04:26 AM
Most people are very happy with CUSD? Then why the turmoil over the past several years? You may believe that teachers will take a cut. History shows a different scenario. They have been reluctant to share in any sacrifice and took back any agreement they made whenever they could. FWIW, my neighbor (who is a CUEA site rep) says they won't agree to any cut that doesn't inflict at least equal pain on students. Nice, right?
Lawrene Bottorf May 21, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Here's a way Capo High is trying to squeeze more government cheese from the Sacramento Cheese Factory...As you probably know, standardized testing results mean more $$, but as the indoctrination of our government schools goes, many of the students don't give a rats behind about the test...so now CVHS is bribing them with grade inflation. " Once again this year, the CVHS math, English, science, and social science departments will offer opportunities for grade incentives tied to performance on the STAR California Standards Tests (CST), which will be given May 17th, 18th, and 21st to all 9th, 10th and 11th grade students."
bbq May 21, 2012 at 05:04 AM
SCN - I know what you were trying to say earlier that JG did not seem to get - your kid's classroom teacher, BEFORE the last presidential election, told the kids to have their parents vote for Obama. That is completely different, JG, than teaching about a person that is the actual president. We had not had the elections yet! I also agree that our public schools should not have mandatory lessons that teach the kids who the notable gays in history are. What does that have to do with anything???? Do they also have to describe the sexuality of every person who contributed to our history? Ridiculous! They can't teach anything about religion, why teach about what someone's sexual preference is??? Yesterday I received something in the mail that is warning that our state government, in wanting us to vote in a new "parcel tax," will also contain a provision where it can circumvent the Prop 13 laws we have in place now, by allowing a simple majority to pass new taxes rather than 2/3. NO NEW TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 05:20 AM
BBQ, my point was that SCN needs to take her personal accusations to the school. I find it hard to believe that some of her accusations are true...but if they are she needs to do more about it than complain on an anonymous blog. Teachers are not allowed to tell students who to vote for and if they are then the parents of every student in their class need to say something to the school and or district administration. The reason behind teaching the contributions to society of gay people is to send a message to all students that sexual orientation is not a reason to discriminate or bully. Gay students need to get the message that they are entitled to live their lives openly and contribute to society without fear or judgement. So do straight students. It has nothing to do with sexual practices and everything to do with discouraging discrimination. Be sure to investigate those mailers to make sure they are accurate...no matter who is sending them out or what they are claiming. Be sure to make your decisions based on what you know...not what someone tells you on a blog. Be sure to think twice about what someone says of a personal nature on a blog...you can say anything anonymously.
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 05:43 AM
SCN, There clearly is a need for gay students to know that they are valued members of society. There is a crisis of suicide by young gay people. Insults really are the weapon of choice by those who feel they have nothing better to say. You know nothing about me personally and I know nothing about you. What I do know is education...after over 35 years in the classroom. Your issues are clearly personal and they only seem to involve one school. And yet you denigrate them all.
Yeparoo May 21, 2012 at 05:44 AM
A Dire Sign Of The Obesity Epidemic: Teen Diabetes Soaring, Study Finds http://t.co/gUeMei8u Maybe a bad time to sell 200,000,000 cookies? How about a BMI tax. If taxing something means you get less of that something, maybe a good idea?
bbq May 21, 2012 at 05:56 AM
JG- thank you for warning me about investigating who is sending what and to not believe everyone on an anonymous blog, etc. I think my comments have shown that I'm a big girl who can do my research and make my own decisions. But thanks :) I agree that gay students need to know that they can live their lives without fear, but I think that it can be taught that bullying is NEVER acceptable no matter who the person is. We don't need to have specific teachings about gay contributions throughout history. NO NEW TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OC Mom May 21, 2012 at 06:08 AM
She was a dream of a teacher: young, energetic, firm, yet loving. Kind of like a Mary Poppins. There were 14 kids in my childs public Kindergarten class. Of course this wasn't CUSD. When another of my children went to CUSD schools they had 31 kids and an angry, condescending to parents, horrible teacher who was tenured and couldn't be removed. The difference between my chidren's teachers was unreal. The first teachers was beloved by the students and parents and the second teacher was disliked by the majority of parents and actually made for a stressful environment for the children. The biggest difference is that one state has collective bargaining and the other doesn't. Who do you think has the higher testing schools and choice of schools? I'll answer that it's not CUSD. Parents who only know CUSD don't know any different than CUSD. Those of us who've lived in other states and cities know the difference. Also, regarding the Gay agenda it is totally political! The golden rule of treating others how they'd like to be treated will suffice at schools. I'd hope that Jolly would be familiar with a children's book called, "Do Unto Otters." This was read in my child's classroom in 2nd grade. Teaching Gay History and speculating and rewriting History to make certain people Gay who we think might have been serves no other purpose than to indoctrinate children that this is just another acceptable lifestyle choice. All the while not touching on the dangerous health risks.
OC Mom May 21, 2012 at 06:13 AM
Oh, what a slippery slope. Next, there'll be affirmative action for Gays. Seriously, I've had Gay coworkers and it is not a problem to work with people who are different than myself and have different beliefs. I have discussed this with my children. You need to be respectful, but that doesn't mean that we agree on everything. It goes back to the Golden Rule. Indoctinating kids with Gay History is going to go against the Mormon, Muslim and Christian faiths. You are going against many parents religious beliefs in teaching this. Let's just treat everyone nicely, not bully anyone. Problem solved!
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 06:14 AM
There is no need to fear the new curriculum about the contributions of gay people. No sexual references are part of it. It is important to address discrimination in schools. Discrimination against gay people has not been addressed until now. We have addressed many other minorities and now it is clear that we need to address this. SCN, any cause of suicide among young people needs to be addressed. And regarding the comment about not funding unions...unions are funded by teachers, not tax payers. As for collective bargaining without the use of a union...how would that work with over 4000 employees? There would have to be some sort of organization to provide representation for the teachers and other employees. The collective bargaining process has resulted in many other things, besides teacher salaries, that benefitted students, including smaller class sizes.
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 06:27 AM
OC Mom, It is not a question of indoctrination...it is a question of education. Why are you so afraid of it?
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 06:36 AM
SCN, I recall you mentioning in another post that you were very happy with your child's elementary school and with the high schools. Has that changed? You said that you might send your child to a private middle school and then bring them back to a CUSD high school. I don't know why Lawrene chose to home school her children. That is her business. I am assuming that she felt she was a good teacher. I would think that she would also find many other teachers at her school to be good teachers. She will have to address that. I sent my children to public schools and was very happy. If a specific thing happened that I felt needed to be addressed I talked to the teacher. On two occasions I did not like what happened and both times my concerns were addressed to my satisfaction. Teachers are not perfect. Neither are students or parents. I have no need of perfection. The world is not perfect so it is an important lesson for my children to learn that.
OCDem May 21, 2012 at 08:17 AM
Jollygirl, I just wanted to let you know that I'm sorry that you have to put up with everyone else on this site. As someone who just graduated from the public school system, I'm glad to have gotten out. Knowing that people like SCN might be setting the policy is unsettling, to say the least.
OCDem May 21, 2012 at 09:06 AM
@SCN, I have the advantage of having everything you've written on this page to compare against, so just believe me when I say we're so completely different that it isn't worth either of our time to go over. I don't know why I even posted in the first place, but I may as well at least finish up. I'm glad to have gotten out because it is - as you say - broken. But I think we have differing views on why. Anyway I'm unsettled because, all taxation and budget issues aside, I'm afraid of what the curriculum would look like if you and like-minded people were in charge, that's all. Personal opinion though. Don't bully? What a crock. That's like teaching abstinence only education, useless. "Don't bully, be nice" is not the same as spreading tolerance. It's not even close. And you left out atheists every time you brought up religion (and covered the rests of the religions with an etc. which is not really fair either). Also, you can't spell at all and have demonstrated a less than adequate mastery of the English language. I digress, but that's been bugging me. My blatantly bad feelings aside, good luck with your work. Sorry to hear you've still got work to do at this hour. For what it's worth, you can not bother replying unless you really want to because I don't think I'll be checking back. Spur of the moment and all that.
OCDem May 21, 2012 at 09:07 AM
PS. Despite all that, I have no clue how to reply to a reply. Forgive me.
shelly May 21, 2012 at 01:54 PM
Most people are happy with their CUSD schools. So why do so few people go to the board meetings if everyone is in an uproar. There are a few people who post back and forth on this particular comment board and online paper. It is not the majority opinion. I have a different experience then some of you. My oldest went all through CUSD schools and so did his peers. He had a perfect (@scn :) ) education for him. He was able to accomplish, do and learn so much. He had wonderful teachers and mentors along the way. He has had an excellent education. My other children also. We all pay for public education because we (the people) decided that it is what is best for our country and state. It beneftis us all to live in an educated society.
Capo mom May 21, 2012 at 03:43 PM
Another good one http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap-taxes-20120521,0,991121,full.column
Yeparoo May 21, 2012 at 05:14 PM
Teachers are evil corporations? NOOOO, say it ain't so!!! PC Mama - Are they also RACIST because they DON'T want to pay taxes. Give me a break!!! "I would look into buying the 7.444 years of service you cashed in way back when. Or at least some of it depending on the cost. Can you use a tax shelter, roll it over to buy the 7.444 years? This might be the lest painful. But the tax shelter might have a penalty for taking it out early. If you have reached the penalty free time that would be good. If you don't have a tax shelter you would have to buy the years outright or see about having it taken out of your check." http://retired.teachers.net/chatboard/topic7284/
Yeparoo May 21, 2012 at 05:58 PM
If you are going to play the race card, then be bold and ride that horse like you stole it. This is your reply to a person objecting to paying for people sneaking to a country that is not yours and using scarce tax resources: "I want to state that I am sharing this for others to see that there is a psychological reason for such strong feelings of those with anti-immigrant issues (legally documented or not) and that there are deep rooted reasons that, with time, will be overcome." Really. The United States desperately needs immigration reform to speed up the paperwork process to increase the number of legal immigrants. The demographics don't lie. The US seems to be on the same course as Japan with a disproportionally aging population needing to be supported by a smaller productive workforce. We can't both have an increasing aging population that is dependent on government resources and an influx of needy law breakers that are also sucking the resources government treasuries. The math doesn't work. What about illegal don't you get. Why is it racist to say no new taxes to support people who are here illegally? Is the teacher asking about purchasing air time, tax shelters, etc. also racist for not wanting to pay taxes. Don't make me quote Gomer Pyle again!! http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-october-6-2009/playing-the-race-card
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 06:39 PM
PCM, I do regret that this seems to be less of a discussion. It seems that even if you do not reply to SCN she will do it for you. Time to think about closing this thread IMHO.
Yeparoo May 21, 2012 at 06:43 PM
SCN - Is the Mexican Gov't Racist? Seems they are tougher SOB's than Jan Brewer. Activists blast Mexico's immigration law TULTITLN, Mexico — Arizona's new law forcing local police to take a greater role in enforcing immigration law has caused a lot of criticism from Mexico, the largest single source of illegal immigrants in the United States. But in Mexico, illegal immigrants receive terrible treatment from corrupt Mexican authorities, say people involved in the system. And Mexico has a law that is no different from Arizona's that empowers local police to check the immigration documents of people suspected of not being in the country legally. "There (in the United States), they'll deport you," Hector Vázquez, an illegal immigrant from Honduras, said as he rested in a makeshift camp with other migrants under a highway bridge in Tultitlán. "In Mexico they'll probably let you go, but they'll beat you up and steal everything you've got first." Mexican authorities have harshly criticized Arizona's SB1070, a law that requires local police to check the status of persons suspected of being illegal immigrants. The law provides that a check be done in connection with another law enforcement event, such as a traffic stop, and also permits Arizona citizens to file lawsuits against local authorities for not fully enforcing immigration laws. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-05-25-mexico-migrants_N.htm
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 06:58 PM
How does educating children lead to drug cartels?
Pam Sunderman May 21, 2012 at 07:18 PM
The drug cartels export drugs here because our citizens buy them. They will not stop because we deport illegal immigrants. They do not sell them to our citizens because they don't know any better...they sell them for profit....a huge profit. The cartels will not stop unless there is no longer a profit.
shelly May 22, 2012 at 12:06 AM
southcountynative, Do you offer any original new ideas besides deport and voucher?
shelly May 22, 2012 at 12:25 AM
Americans buy and use the drugs that fuel the business. If Americans stop buying and using the drugs there would be no drug cartels and no business. Drug cartels are bad. Using drugs is bad. . http://www.professionalcorporatevideoproduction.com/overtaken.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/math.html In America we have decided it is best to educate all. Education is a hand up not a hand out.
shelly May 22, 2012 at 03:41 AM
southcountynative, Did I blame America entirely? People use drugs. America has a lot of drug users who spend money on drugs. America is the biggest consumer of illegal drugs from the drug cartels. Without the money spent by American on drugs the drug cartels would not be as powerful. It is wrong for anyone to bring drugs into our country. It is wrong for Americans to purchase them. You should come into our country legally. Most illegal immigrants who are here are not involved in the drug trade. Most come here to work and for a better life for their families. Many come to escape extreme poverty, poor living conditions, danger, and to obtain better opportunities for their children. Children do no choose. Children have no power. In America we educate all children, poor, rich, legal or illegal, special needs, gifted. All. There is a budget crisis. The revenue going to school has been cut. CUSD will need to cut 50 million. Teachers, administrators, staff will take a cut and be cut, programs will be cut,. It is my opinion that as a community we should help our schools and provide the needed revenue whatever way we can. I am so aware that some on this blog feel that they have done enough. I am also fully aware that as our children and their education is important and vital to everybodies future.
shelly May 22, 2012 at 03:44 AM
Yeparoo May 22, 2012 at 04:01 PM
Shelly - Can you come up wih a new original idea besides raising taxes. Thank you.
Yeparoo May 22, 2012 at 04:02 PM
Shelly - Can you come up wih a new original idea besides raising taxes? Thank you.


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