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UPDATED: No GOP Endorsements for SJC Council

In the last two months, the Central Committee has considered four of the five candidates for San Juan Capistrano City Council.

EDITOR'S NOTE: Updated At 1:37 p.m. to add comments from candidate Kim McCarthy and again at 2:09 p.m. to add comments from candidate Roy Byrnes. Updated at 12:30 a.m. Oct. 17 to add comments from Councilman Sam Allevato.

Five Republicans running for San Juan Capistrano City Council, and not one of them will have the support of their party.

The OC GOP Central Committee met Monday to consider for the final time this election season whether it would want to endorse any San Juan Capistrano council candidates.

In early September, an endorsing committee heard the requests from incumbent Sam Allevato and Planning Commissioner Ginny Kerr but rejected both after critics of the current City Council spoke out in opposition.  

Then earlier this month, that same committee considered the requests from candidates Kim McCarthy and Roy Byrnes.

While the committee did agree to recommend the candidates’ endorsement, it was not without fireworks.

From the OC Political blog

Endorsements Committee Member Mary Young speaks and Candidate Kim McCarthy starts shouting over her, with each demanding that the other show respect.  Young states and McCarthy shouts about how hard they work on the Central Committee and as a candidate, respectively.  (OC Political wishes we had a camera going.)  McCarthy rises out of her seat as the male Endorsements Committee members have facial expressions of concern about a potential physical confrontation.

Still, the committee narrowly approved to recommend Byrnes and McCarthy for endorsement.

Contacted after the Oct. 1 committee meeting, Young told Patch the account is accurate.

Monday night, the Central Committee gathered as a whole to make a final decision, and according to the OC Political blog, Young made the motion not to endorse anyone in San Juan Capistrano. The motion was passed unanimously.

"Being unknown to the republican party, Dr. Byrnes and I never expected to get as far in the endorsement process as we did," McCarthy told Patch. She views the biggest accomplishment is ensuring that Allevato did not get the endorsement.

Byrnes saw it the same way.

"For Sam Allevato, a nine-year entrenched incumbent politician to be rejected by his own Republican party speaks volumes and is an earth-shaking, wake-up call to the voters. Powerful political bosses tried every trick in the book to pull him through but his record was too clear," Byrnes said.

Allevato said McCarthy's failure to clinch an endorsement had much more to do with her than he.

"McCarthy has consistently lied to her friends, and has now be caught in a lie by the OC GOP Central Committee and rebuked for her offensive behavior in front of 30-plus Central Committee members and an audience of elected officials," he said in a note to the media. "And she considers this a victory! She took Byrnes down with her."

McCarthy and Byrnes did pick up a major endorsement from the Orange County Register

Patch does not endorse candidates.

Lon Uso October 19, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Thanks for your vote. You were one of the ten people that didn't get sucked into the union vortex, lol Vote for Tom, he is a Marine and has no ax to grind. He is also running a quiet but decent campaign. I have never met him but I believe he will serve the City the way he served our country, with honor, dedication and courage
Lon Uso October 20, 2012 at 12:14 AM
Are you insane Clint? Do you have any idea what I was making an hour as a dentist and what I made an hour as a Councilman? I went from thousands to pennies. Ask Roy what he told me when I informed him that I was selling my practice to dedicate my time to the City, he told me I was crazy and he was right.
Clint Worthington October 20, 2012 at 01:56 AM
Not quite sure what you are talking about Lon.
Clint Worthington October 20, 2012 at 02:05 AM
Lon, no one said you built the GWRP. However, you did not have to be in negotiation to understand what was being said after reading the Cities reports on the GWRP prior to being built due to the fact that no due diligence was done in looking for possible contamination sites even though the sites were filed with the County of Orange. If I am wrong then you should not have settled. If I am correct, then you should have settled. I already know what the answer is. You don't have to answer, as any answer that you might give would disclose what happened in closed session.
Clint Worthington October 20, 2012 at 02:07 AM
You still have not told me what I lied about or apologized.
Clint Worthington October 20, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Penny, you will not see myself (or any of my friends) demonstrating the behavior that I heard about at the mobile home park last night. That was a circus from what I understand. I think the community center is an excellent site for a debate.
Kim October 20, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Let's all stop addressing Lon's self imposed importance. He ruined us with his bad voting record, he has no power or importance other then self imposed.... Lon, you are done here in San Juan as are your cohorts,...rest in peace.
John Gamos October 20, 2012 at 02:59 AM
Kim, well said. After reading Dr. Uso's responses it appears that would be the best way to handle it. I tell my kids, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. If everyone ignores him, he has lost his importance.
Kim October 20, 2012 at 03:06 AM
Hazel..you are so right...I'm not sure Uso really ever had any importance. Sad, as you say, our children and their children will be paying for his bad decisions as well as Allevato, Nielsen, Freeze and now it appears to be Taylor an Kramer. Hope it all ends with voting for responsibility in Mc Carthy and Burns who can help to revive this City and get it going on the right path. J. Volzke and his employer, as well as the "6"th council member are done. VOTE folks!.
Lon Uso October 20, 2012 at 03:59 AM
You can stop responding to me, but I wont stop outing your lies I agree VOTE folks
Ted Shown October 20, 2012 at 05:22 AM
“Yes, Ted, I'm arguing the SJC water rates are satisfactory.” OK. Agree to disagree. “We have higher water rates because we have aging infrastructure.” Well, all things are aging. I assume you mean old infrastructure. [Too vague to comment on.] Thanks for the additional information regarding the reason we have “higher water rates” which you characterize as satisfactory. “Complaining about water rates in SJC without looking at what is going on around us, whether next door in South Coast Water District or as far as Yorba Linda, is making judgments, and decisions, in a vaccum [sic], Ted.” I am concerned about our rates not theirs. If I lived in one of these other areas and their rates were as high as ours, I would complain about their rates. “Water rates are high everywhere” Interesting, but not very informative. Are they as high as ours or higher? When I asked for facts, I should have clarified that I was looking for quantitative facts, not the arm waving kind of facts. “It would actually probably put us at a disadvantage, as the new members would have to get up to speed. . .” Well, you tell me this problem began 80 years ago. The current council members have been in office for a long time, and yet, here we are. I fail to see any correlation between being “up to speed” and solving this problem.
Ted Shown October 20, 2012 at 05:22 AM
Bottom line, since you are satisfied with the water rates, this whole conversation must be meaningless to you as on your view, no action is required. As for me, if the current council has not found a solution to this problem by now, they are not going to. We could elect high school dropouts to simply tell us what the problem is and that we should be satisfied with no further action. What we need is a council that will at least try to think outside the box and find a solution to this situation.
Lon Uso October 20, 2012 at 03:32 PM
Ted, If you believe that these two candidates can give you lower water rates ask them to sign a pledge to leave office if they can't. Clint Worthington who was a previous candidate for this group has already said on this forum that they wont promise you lower rates. I ask you, didn't it sound to you that they were telling you that they could lower your rates? The FACT is that you own a plant that has a $3 million a year dept that will have to be paid whether you run it or shut it down. A new council cant change that. If you shut it down you will pay the debt plus the water cost.
JessC October 20, 2012 at 11:47 PM
Dr. Uso, I cannot help, but to feel great bitterness and unhappiness from your posts. This is not the Lon Uso I knew. When you announced that you were running for City Council the first time, I was happy to hear that you wanted to make our town a better place, but I was also concerned because I knew how emotional you can be. The emotional outbursts and venomous exchanges between you and Sam Allevato at the council meetings are still very fresh in many of our minds. The exchanges used to make me feel so uncomfortable that I had to walk out of the chamber. Then, when you announced that you were running for re-election, I thought to myself, why is he doing this to himself? I was actually glad when I heard you had lost because I did not want you to continue to torture yourself. Now, I read your posts here, and it is crystal clear to me that you are harboring some deep seeded anger and bitterness inside. Please Lon let it so and enjoy your new life. It is fine to stay in touch, but don't keep torturing yourself. You are only hurting yourself.
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 12:37 AM
Jess, it's hard for me to tell you just how happy I am. What you are reading is due to a great sense of betrayal and disappointment in Kim and Roy. I believe that people that can justify unethical behavior to achieve a goal, no matter how lofty, can justify that type of behavior again and and from the statements and misinformation they know they are putting out there, they are proving me right. I was also glad to hear that I had lost, it took the responsibility of fighting for the city off my shoulders. But I feel honor bound to expose those that I know are not worthy of the office and believe me, it's not torture. It would be torture to watch these people misinform and misdirect the voter of SJC and do nothing. It would be difficult to do that and sleep peacefully at night. If you truly care about my well being, understand why I must do this. and if you want to help end the bitterness and anger, vote for Tom. I don't know him personally but he has no ax to grind and he is a Marine. Perhaps he will serve the City the way he has served our Country, With honor and courage. We could do a lot worse. Thank you for your concern.
Ted Shown October 21, 2012 at 05:42 AM
Lon: "Ted, If you believe that these two candidates can give you lower water rates ask them to sign a pledge to leave office if they can't." 1. I don't know if they can reduce my water rates or not. I know they want to and that they will try. As I understand it, the other candidates have essentially pledged to not even try. 2. There are more issues than the high rates for water and I have more confidence in Kim and Roy to address them than the other two candidates. I want to see improvements in the way this city is managed. My decision to vote against the incumbent is informed by Albert Einsten's famous definition of insanity, "trying the same thing over and over and expecting a new result." If the new candidates prove to be more of the same, then we can try again. I favor getting new ideas and people into the game and holding them as accountable as I do the incumbents.
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 08:23 AM
Well Ted, I wonder what motivation the sitting Council would have to keep your water rates artificially high? they desperately want lower them but can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. If you just want to vote for Roy and Kim because you trust them, that's fine but those are emotional reasons not based on facts. and you were asking for facts. many people vote that way and it's their privilege. Millions did so 4 years ago with promises of Hope and Change and now they only hope they can change. To paraphrase what you told Jonathan, "since you are satisfied with your candidates this whole conversation must be meaningless to you" so good luck with that.
Ted Shown October 21, 2012 at 05:39 PM
Lon: "Well Ted, I wonder what motivation the sitting Council would have to keep your water rates artificially high? They desperately want lower them but can't squeeze blood out of a turnip." Interesting that you use the term "artificially high." I don't think the rates are being held artificially high - they really are high. You can look at your water bill for evidence of that fact. Let's assume for a moment that you are right and the current council does indeed desperately want to lower them. First, may I assume that you and they agree that the rates are too high? Otherwise why would one be desperate to lower them? Second, if they are indeed desperate to lower rates, then I have to conclude that in all the years they have been on the council, they have tried and failed. I have found it best in business not to double down on failure. As Jim Collins said in his book "Good to Great," (quoting Admiral Jim Stockdale), "we need to confront the brutal facts (yet never lose faith)." I would commend this book to all who would really like to implement change in San Juan. In fact, I would make it required reading for every city employee. San Juan is a good city. It could be a great city. The seeds of greatness have been planted In San Juan as have the seeds of destruction. How we cultivate these seeds and how we conduct our business will decide which crop we bring in at the harvest.
Ted Shown October 21, 2012 at 05:48 PM
Lon: "If you just want to vote for Roy and Kim because you trust them, that's fine but those are emotional reasons not based on facts. and you were asking for facts. many people vote that way and it's their privilege." Trust as I use it is an position taken based on good reasons to believe that what one is trusting is worthy of trust. That is based on the best evidence available. Trust can increase or decrease based on new evidence. So I would dispute your characterization of my trust being an emotional response rather than a reasoned one. Moreover, I don't believe that I ever said I trust anyone in this race. I would prefer to work on the model Ronald Reagan used, "trust but verify." As a said elsewhere, I advocate for new council members and would expect all of us to hold them as accountable as we do the present ones.
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 07:59 PM
Ted, I cant find where you left this comment so I am re-posting it. "Lon: "Well Ted, I wonder what motivation the sitting Council would have to keep your water rates artificially high? They desperately want lower them but can't squeeze blood out of a turnip." Interesting that you use the term "artificially high." I don't think the rates are being held artificially high - they really are high. You can look at your water bill for evidence of that fact. Let's assume for a moment that you are right and the current council does indeed desperately want to lower them. First, may I assume that you and they agree that the rates are too high? Otherwise why would one be desperate to lower them? Second, if they are indeed desperate to lower rates, then I have to conclude that in all the years they have been on the council, they have tried and failed. I have found it best in business not to double down on failure. As Jim Collins said in his book "Good to Great," (quoting Admiral Jim Stockdale), "we need to confront the brutal facts (yet never lose faith)." I would commend this book to all who would really like to implement change in San Juan. In fact, I would make it required reading for every city employee. San Juan is a good city. It could be a great city. The seeds of greatness have been planted In San Juan as have the seeds of destruction. How we cultivate these seeds and how we conduct our business will decide which crop we bring in at the harvest."
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 08:00 PM
Ted, again "Lon: "If you just want to vote for Roy and Kim because you trust them, that's fine but those are emotional reasons not based on facts. and you were asking for facts. many people vote that way and it's their privilege." Trust as I use it is an position taken based on good reasons to believe that what one is trusting is worthy of trust. That is based on the best evidence available. Trust can increase or decrease based on new evidence. So I would dispute your characterization of my trust being an emotional response rather than a reasoned one. Moreover, I don't believe that I ever said I trust anyone in this race. I would prefer to work on the model Ronald Reagan used, "trust but verify." As a said elsewhere, I advocate for new council members and would expect all of us to hold them as accountable as we do the present ones."
JessC October 21, 2012 at 08:16 PM
Dr, Uso, your comment "vote for Tom, he is a Marine and has no ax to grind. He is also running a quiet but decent campaign. I have never met him but I believe he will serve the City the way he served our country, with honor, dedication and courage." makes no sense at all. With all due respect, I don't need anyone to tell me who I should vote for as I am very capable of listening to both sides of the issues before casting my vote. Secondly, for the record I am not trying to demean Mr. Marantz here. I am sure he served his country with "honor, dedication, and courage." However, this does not automatically qualify him or anyone who has served our country for that matter to lead our City. We currently have a Navy captain sitting on the dias, and there is no way I would re-elect him or recommend him to others for re-election. Like you, I don't know Mr. Marantz. So, my question to you is what other criteria are you basing your recommendation on that the citizens of SJC should vote for Mr. Marantz other than that he is a former Marine with no ax to grind, and who is running a quiet campaign? This simply does not make any sense to me at all especially since you have never met the man! Clearly, your statement is a vendetta of some sort that you still carry. Please for your own sake, let it go. I cannot wait until the election (National, State, and Local) is over!
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 08:21 PM
Tim I stand corrected, you said confidence not trust. If trust or confidence changes with the facts, you must have completely discounted the facts I presented to you, including the fact that they don't believe they can lower your rates. I forgot, you don't care if they can, you just want them to try. Fact, this Council never pledged to not try to lower your rates, that is nonsense. they have pledged to make the GWRP work because they know that the alternative will hurt all of SJC. This plant has been plagued with many problems and I would be happy to list them for you but both my Council and this Council have made great strides to fix them. Kim and Roy will throw all of that away. This Council is desperate to lower rates because they have to pay them as well and because they love this town, that's all You are right, the rates are not artificially high, they are high. Water rates all over So Cal are high and will get higher yet. That sir, is a FACT. The biggest question will be one of supply. This issue is being manipulated for political reasons. Your candidates have no viable solutions. Those are facts that you can verify.
Kim October 21, 2012 at 08:29 PM
JessC...Lon Uso is bitter, hates everyone that was on his Council..feels Allevato, Nielsen and Freese threw him under the bus, feels betrayed by the CCS candidates, but, will not say why......he is advocating voting for Tom simply becasue he is against all the others, not for any justified reason. He is for no one and against everyone, simple!
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 08:31 PM
I wasn't telling you who to vote for, I was making a suggestion. I don't know Tom, But I know the others and could not vote for them for love or money. It just makes sense to me that it would be healthy for the Council to have someone who has not already decided that they will vote with one side or the other. It might bring balance that is sorely needed. I never insisted that you agree. Not going to let it go!!! but again, thanks for caring. BTW, AMEN to your last statement.
JessC October 21, 2012 at 09:55 PM
Kim, I will have to agree with you that Dr. Uso is very angry and bitter with many of the people in town. It makes me very sad because my family really liked the man, not only professionally, but personally. Politics changed him and that is a real shame.
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 10:38 PM
Well Jess, Your statement is factually incorrect. I don't hate everybody. I love many people just not your candidates. Sam never threw me under a bus, we were never aligned so he couldn't have. In fact, Sam remained loyal to his people which I give him credit for even if I do not support him politically. You must not have read the majority of the posts because I have been clear why I don't trust or like your candidates but my posting here goes much further. I believe that they are misleading the voters on just about every issue, from traffic to water, etc...if they actually believe the tripe they have been spewing they are in fact dangerous!!! I can only hope that there are some open minded people on this forum that are interested in facts and not in "feelings" about the candidates. If you want to talk about haters, look in one of Kim's mirrors. There is an obvious hate among your people for Sam. If you can't see that you should clean the fog from your glasses. Jess you won't be the first or I am sure the last friend that I have lost for standing up for what I believe in. At the end of the day, it's a lot more important to like yourself because you have to live with yourself a long time. Politics have not changed me, I spoke this way about Swerdlin, Hart and Soto but in those days Kim and the others agreed with me and cheered me on so tell me who has changed here? You seem so upset, you might consider not posting again, I worry about you, take care.
Ted Shown October 21, 2012 at 11:19 PM
Lon: "Tim I stand corrected, you said confidence not trust. If trust or confidence changes with the facts, you must have completely discounted the facts I presented to you, including the fact that they don't believe they can lower your rates. Lon, I am going to assume that by “Tim,” you meant to say “Ted” and will respond to this post. If I am wrong, then “never mind.” I assure you, I have not discounted your posts and I thank you for sharing them. This discussion has been very enlightening. “Fact, this Council never pledged to not try to lower your rates, that is nonsense.” Of course they didn’t pledge that. I was using hyperbole when I said they “essentially pledged to not even try.” By that I meant they failed to do so and, as far as I know, have not stated that it is a priority in their next term. Be assured that I have the best interests of the people of San Juan in mind. I don’t really care who is in office, I care that they run this city in an open, transparent, efficient way with integrity. If the next batch to be seated fails to do that, you can be sure I will oppose them and continue to seek candidates who can. I think I have offered about all I have to say in this discussion. I appreciate your responses and attempts to stay on topic. This will be my final transmission in this thread. Peace. Out.
Lon Uso October 21, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Of course I meant Ted, sorry. I do believe that you have the best interest of the people in your heart and I appreciate your willingness to listen. I sincerely wish you luck, you seem to be a good and decent man.
Jonathan Volzke October 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM
Clint, You keep bringing up Yuma. I imagine their water is cheaper because it's closer to the source (Colorado River) and doesn't have to traverse as many mountain ranges, etc. But interesting thing about Yuma: They have a GWRP, too! Where Does My Water Come From? T he main source of Yuma’s drinking water is surface water from the Colorado River and is delivered to the Treatment Facilities via the canal system. The Main Street Treatment Facility is a conventional water treatment plant. Surface water is treated with coagulant chemicals to help the sediment to collect and drop to the bottom of the sedimentation basins. The water is sent through slow sand filters, and chlorine is added for disinfection. Treated water is then sent out to the distribution system and storage tanks. The Agua Viva Water Treatment Facility presently treats ground water and surface water. The ground water is treated for iron and manganese. Water drawn from a well is ground water. In 2009, the expansion of the Agua Viva Water Treatment Facility to produce 24 million gallons per day of surface water was completed. Treated ground water and surface water are blended together and disinfected prior to distribution in the system. Even Yuma, Clint, sees the wisdom.

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