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Capo, Saddleback on List of School Districts Facing Financial Peril

Of the state's 1,000-plus school districts, 188 have this dubious distinction.

Thirteen Orange County school districts face almost certain financial jeopardy, including and school districts, according to the state superintendent of public instruction.

There are 28 school districts in Orange County, not counting community college districts. No other school districts that serve Orange County Patch readership areas appear on the danger list.

State Superintendent Tom Torlakson released Monday the list of districts across the state that may not have the funds to get through this year or the next two years based on multiyear projections.

There are 188 school districts that fall under this category, and they are responsible for the education of 2.6 million children, according to Torlakson. There are more than 1,000 school districts across the state.

“This is the kind of record no one wants to set. Across California, parents, teachers and administrators are increasingly wondering how to keep their schools’ lights on, their bills paid, and their doors open,” Torlakson said in a press release. “The deep cuts this budget crisis has forced—and the uncertainties about what lies ahead—are taking an unprecedented and unacceptable toll on our schools.”

The figures out of Sacramento are based on school districts’ second financial report for the year, . In Capistrano Unified’s case, a third report, no rosier than December’s will be heard at Wednesday’s Board of Trustees meeting.

Capo will have to cut from the 2012-13 budget .

Saddleback Valley is facing $900,000 in cuts for 2012-13 but . 

The state’s new list is a compilation of the certifications by school districts that were due April 16 and cover the financial and budgetary status of the districts for the period ending Jan. 31, 2012. The certifications reflect whether the LEAs are able to meet their financial obligations for the remainder of the current fiscal year and subsequent two fiscal years based on projections at that point in time.

A dozen school districts’ situation is so dire, they’ve had to file their interim financial reports with a negative certification, meaning they declared with certainty they will not be able to meet their financial obligations.

No Orange County district has filed a negative financial report. The closest school district in that bad of shape is Inglewood Unified in Los Angeles County.

Moving On May 24, 2012 at 01:10 AM
I'm not angry at what a CEO makes - I could care less - makes no difference to me what a private citizen makes. I don't even care what a teacher makes - makes no difference to me - they do not pay my bills. BUT I do care that there is a budget crisis and the salaries are taking up most of the budget, the money has been mismanaged and that money was supplied by the taxpayers. Get the budget under control with the money you have, without cutting more services to the kids, then once you show that you can handle the money correctly, and there is still a need, then and only then will I agree to a tax increase - until then NO more taxes. I feel like I'm talking to my children when they spend their allowance, but they just want "this one thing" and they kick and cry for me to get it - nope, too bad, you did not manage your money well - it is called budgetary discipline. NO means NO.
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 01:13 AM
@Leann - I was NOT old enough to VOTE when some of these contracts were put in place. So why am I held accountable for contracts that were signed when I had no voice in the matter??? I can tell you this, I can vote now and my vote will be NO.
bbq May 24, 2012 at 02:16 AM
LeAnn, Ok, so you asked those of us "complaining" that we don't have money to pay more in taxes would we reduce our pay? I answered that we had to reduce ours the last 3 years and you answered that you "could make the same complaints and so could many others including teachers." What the heck is your point then?????
randy May 24, 2012 at 02:44 AM
Moving on - good point. This is probably the one we can revisit and bring this argumentation to gov. Baby boomers will have a hard look at their grandchildren and unborn ones. Since we are over 18, we can rewrite the laws and contracts, eh?
randy May 24, 2012 at 02:55 AM
Moving on - I put my comment to respond in wrong thread. It needs to move down the next thread,I believe. Sorry for confusion.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 03:51 AM
LeAna, Penny can probably double check this for us but I think the temporary teachers are able to keep their step and column status. And it is probably the union that negotiated that for them. Many have taught for as long as 10 years. Contrary to what some people have said here, teachers in CUSD are very concerned about their colleagues who have temporary status or have been laid off. They want the union to stand up for them and protect their status on the salary scale and they know all too well how much is at stake when we lose what is amounting to almost a half of a generation of new teachers. They do not want to lose these colleagues and they do not want class sizes to grow. However, in my opinion, asking teachers to foot the bill for reduced revenues entirely is like asking gas station attendants to take pay cuts so we don't have to pay more at the pump. Teachers know that they are facing pay cuts. But they can't make up the whole difference. And they shouldn't have to.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 03:53 AM
Jane, Penny is correct about the teachers on temp contracts. I'm not sure what you mean by perks but every teacher, tenured or not, has union protection in many areas...except for layoffs due to funding revenue decreases. And yes, it is last in first out, except in cases where there is no one else qualified to do a specific job. I have not seen the mentality of "now that I have tenure I can just show up." Teaching is not the kind of job that you can just show up for. Try it for a day. A union environment does not destroy work morale in education. Teachers pay little attention to the union for the most part. And I can't even imagine where you got the impression that teachers who are heavily involved in the union (are you referring to site representatives?) are not the brightest star in the sky. They attend a meeting once or twice a month after school. Most schools rotate the task from year to year. Then they report back to their site in another after school meeting. It's pretty boring stuff and most people pay little attention. They are probably even grading papers during the meeting. Is that the union activity you are referring to?
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 04:21 AM
@Pam - comparing a gas station attendant to take a pay cut so that we can pay less at the pump is not synonymous with a teacher taking a pay cut so that we do not have to pay higher taxes - completely different. Gas is a commodity and I have a choice to purchase it or not - I can walk, ride my bike, take the bus if I don't want to pay the gas price. Paying taxes is not a choice and I pay my taxes and expect services that I am promised in return. Education for my children is one of the services that I pay for in a form of a tax and the teachers are paid from that tax. I continue to pay more and more and the service is less and less - but the salaries remain the same - why? And CUSD had a choice a few years ago to take a pay cut and have more teacher jobs saved - but they wanted the status quo in their pay checks and sent the younger teachers out to pasture, they made their bed, now they need to lie in it and the cuts they face now are not going to be pretty and all I hear now is how I need to pay more taxes the teachers shouldn't have to do it all - well what part did they do when the budget crisis started a few years ago? Oh, they cut the services to the children, the children that are trying to get an education and have NO voice in the matter.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 04:21 AM
southcounty, I am only commenting under my real name now. A girl can change her mind... Sorry but I no longer work for anyone and I never worked for you. I worked for CUSD and I was responsible for my students and the parents of my students. I was not responsible for immigration control or for state laws about curriculum. If I did not agree with a law regarding curriculum I could do just what you can do...take it up with the legislature. But I could not make individual choices about whom I was educating or what I was teaching. I did my best and I worked very hard. I know thousands of teachers who also do their best and work very hard...yes thousands. I know very few who don't. I respected my students and their parents and in return I earned their respect. I don't need your respect...but I do expect civil discourse. I am civil with you. I bring the perspective of a teacher to these boards with no regrets and no apologies. I am simply trying to pass on information that others may not have because they are not teachers. That is my agenda.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 04:33 AM
No OC Mom that is not the least bit relevant. I decided to post as me because I find that I take more personal responsibility when I take a public stand. Other people post as themselves here. I think we would all be better off (and less likely to insult each other or judge each other) if we all used our real names. But that is a personal choice. Now can we just move on from this non drama? Or do you have more to reveal?
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 04:40 AM
mfriedrich, There can be no more pink slips this year. They have to be issued by March 15. Cuts and layoffs are coming and so is a shorter school year if nothing changes.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 05:06 AM
southcounty, My answer is that I am not responsible to you. How I spend my time and how I give back to my profession is not something I want to discuss with you.
bbq May 24, 2012 at 05:25 AM
SCN, I am still laughing at the whole "jollygirl" vs. "Pam" thing. I think she tried to pull a fast one on us today by commenting with her real name, hoping we wouldn't notice, but when she got busted she tried to say we should all be more "civil" and post with our real names. Thanks for the laugh, Pam. I was even giggling in the shower earlier. God, I needed that laugh today :) Where is Shelly? Maybe she didn't get her new script yet (or maybe she did and is posting as (Shel)Leana Bui?
bbq May 24, 2012 at 05:25 AM
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Moving On May 24, 2012 at 05:36 AM
I have an idea - if I am correct pension checks are tax free (and if I'm wrong, I'll take that lump), anyhow, retired public employees take their pension checks and move to another state, which is fine, they are free to live where they want - but the money is not even spent here in CA - no contribution to the state that paid them what so ever, no contributing to local businesses, no contributing to more revenue. What if they passed a law that if you as a public employee decide to leave CA, you are TAXED on your pension check, they would have to pay CA taxes in return for that money - money that we contributed to the salaries of public employess, that in turn went into the pension fund. Oh, I'm sure that they would never go for that - but why not? It is another option, just thinking outside the box, instead of shaking signs in my face that we need to raise taxes for "the children".
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 05:54 AM
Moving On...It's an honest mistake so no lumps needed. Teacher pension checks are taxed just like any other income. Since taxes are deducted from my check they may well already go to CA no matter where I live. I plan on staying here so will be contributing to local businesses and to more revenue. I will also be voting for the education sales tax and for Prop 29. I have voted yes on every parcel tax and bond measure. I will pay taxes so that other children can be educated besides my own. However retired teachers should not be held hostage by anyone. They should be able to move to Arizona for the cheaper cost of living just like you. You received a service for your taxes which teachers are obligated (and thrilled and honored) to provide. Public employees are not demanding tax payer money...they are earning it.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 06:01 AM
I am unaware of the rule about announcing to everyone that you are now posting as yourself. Do you actually think that the anonymous people here are all using just one name? On some blogs people change their name every time they post. Sorry if you feel so wronged. No fast one intended. OCMom lived up to my expectations that it wouldn't be necessary for me to make a big announcement.
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 06:21 AM
@Pam - thanks for the clarification. And yes, I am free to move to AZ or any other state for that matter. We did not make the decision because it is cheaper to live there - my husband and I made the decision based on many factors and they all pointed to making the move - so please do not make innuendos at me for making a choice to move. Yay - you are going to vote for Prop 29 - hey, maybe some of that tax money (if it passes) will come to AZ and we can use that money in AZ for research - you know that the money will be taxed on Californians and the money can be spent anywhere - not just in CA. You are aware of that, right? @SCN - Thank you for the compliment on being the best teacher for my children, I know that both my husband (and my parents for that matter) work hard to raise our children to be productive members of society, kind, respectful, educated, critical thinkers, etc. My husband and I are both well educated and we want the same for our children, we want better than what we had and before teachers jump on the band wagon and say, you know teachers taught you to be successful, they educated you (like Edison story above) - don't go there with me.
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 06:33 AM
Yes Moving On, I heard that in the commercials sponsored by the tobacco companies too, but I don't care where they do the research. One of the problems with posting on a blog is that you can't use inflection...so it is possible to read negativity into a post that was not intended. I did not mean to insinuate anything about your own personal reasons for moving to Arizona. It is none of my business. I had hoped to set the tone with my first sentence. Obviously I wasn't successful. I may disagree with you but I have no personal animus against you. I really don't have it against south county. We don't even know each other. The worst thing I seem to have committed here is to be a teacher and accept my pension. By doing that I seem to have denied myself the right to an opinion in some people's eyes. Oh well.
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 06:44 AM
@SCN - exactly!!! I know they are scared but I want to see reform before I give one more cent. You see, I am SO passionate about making sure that the kids get the education that we are paying for - I am a product of public schools, I had no idea at the time that my education was being impacted by over crowded classrooms, teachers that were just plain lazy and tired, no more gusto in them. I graduated in the top 1% of my class, I was taught how to take a test - so I did very well on the SAT - I got into UCSD and off I went, head held high, thinking, wow, I'm smart - parents were so proud. When I got to college, I had to take an English placement test and guess what - I couldn't write worth a bean - are you kidding me??? Do you know how embarrassed I was when I had to take a remedial English class in college??? How did so many teachers miss this in my education??? My college roommate teased me, my head was hanging low - but I picked myself up and I learned and I went on to earn graduate degrees, with honors. I do NOT want that to happen to my kids - I want better and when I see services cut, I wonder how many kids out there are in the shoes I was in.
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 06:50 AM
con't.....some on this post will say - "well you should pay more taxes to make sure that another child is not in your shoes." and I say to that - raising my taxes will NOT go to the kids, it will go to salaries and pensions - show me first that you are serious about reform, show me first that the district can manage a budget and provide an education without cutting school days, show me first that you do not just care about head count to get more tax dollars for the district, show me first that you want to reform your union and how they keep teachers that have no business teaching - then and only then (repeating myself) will I consider another tax increase - until then, fix your system and give the children the education they deserve - they will be the ones working to pay your pensions someday.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 06:59 AM
Actually, at another education blog that's now defunct, the commentators would change pseudonyms more often then they changed underwear! But we don't see that a whole lot at Patch. While I understand that Pam S. may have opened herself up for ridicule after referring to herself in a previous incarnation, why don't we let that go and just focus on the issues. Lots more CUSD coverage coming up, peeps!
Pam Sunderman May 24, 2012 at 06:59 AM
Moving On, Believe it or not the exact same thing happened to me decades ago...only it was in another highly regarded school district and then UCLA. We had spent a year in honors English preparing for the English placement test and I aced every essay. I was equally mortified but found that I tested out of the remedial class in about 3 weeks. I had another placement test at another college I was accepted to and guess what? I did so well they placed me in an accelerated track as an English major. I think your experience may have been more of a reflection on a snapshot test than your abilities as a writer.
randy May 24, 2012 at 07:02 AM
Penny - about the time. :)
Moving On May 24, 2012 at 07:09 AM
@Pam - it was not a snapshot of a test that I took one day - it was very apparent that I couldn't write and I know that now. It took me a full year at college to get caught up on my writing skills and it was not only English that I lacked. There were other areas of my studies that I fell short in (topics that I should have been taught previously) and I had to hustle and research on my own just to be in the same stratosphere as my college classmates. Still to this day and I have post doctorate degrees, there are some items that I just do not know and in teasing because he loves me, my husband will ask "didn't you learn that in high school, you did go, right?" This is not about me anymore, this is about the children trying to get an education and if the school days are cut, class size is increased, programs are cut - they have no idea what they are missing out on - they are the ones that are cheated - all because some want to maintain the status quo.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 07:15 AM
I really don't cover pensions much. Patch has had stories about them, and when they come up under regular CUSD business, I'll discuss them. But I don't cover CalSTRS or CalPers or any of that. I cover the day-to-day business of educating our children in South Orange County. There's a lot admittedly I don't get to. I also cover an entire city.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 01:59 PM
I cover the City Council, the Board of Trustees, schools, law enforcement, business, features, charities and even sports!
Andy O'Connor May 25, 2012 at 07:51 PM
Not to mention to mention teachers who took Friday May 25th off, to make it a 4 day weekend!! they get a 3 day weekend, but of course they will take Friday off as one of their "10 days allowed" do the Math, for each teacher who takes off Friday the 25th, ths district pays $100 for a sub, multiply 100 teachers x's $100= $10K right there, and this happens often on Friday's. I wish someone would do an audit, and you would see Friday's as the most day's taken off by teachers!!
Pam Sunderman May 25, 2012 at 07:53 PM
I will do my best to answer any questions you have about pensions south county...
MayMom June 02, 2012 at 05:55 PM
I know how very fortunate I am to be able to be at my kids school. I also know that others don't have that ability because they have to work. There are other ways they can take a role in their kids school. We have family events where we ask for volunteers. These events take place after work hours for most. We still can't get people to volunteer. My problem is with the parents who DON'T work and still can't find the time to step foot in the school. It's not rocket science what we are asking them to do. Check out a library book, make some copies, grade a few papers, check in homework. They just don't want to do it. I know this because I see many of the parents at my own school doing this. Some of these can't even get to school to pick up their kids on time. I am seeing more of a disconnect with the importance of education with these parents.

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