Student Wealth Influences Supervision Needs, Trustee Says

Capo Unified trustee makes comments during a discussion about eliminating campus supervisors.

Students need differing amounts of supervision based partly on their family's socioeconomic status,  Trustee Lynn Hatton said Wednesday night.

During a discussion about , the trustees considered the role campus supervisors play at middle and high schools.

The number of campus supervisors – who keep an eye on students and make sure kids are where they’re supposed to be – on the 10 middle school campuses varies, said Julie Hatchel, assistant superintendent of education services.

In looking at nonteaching positions that could be cut, administrators considered the ratio of staff to students and used Ladera Ranch Middle School as a baseline, Hatchel said.

Ladera's student population has grown over the last few years, Hatchel said, but the number of campus supervisors has been frozen.

Hatton questioned using Ladera Ranch students as the model.

“I kind of feel that Ladera Ranch Middle School ... and the makeup of that middle school, is not necessarily an example, a true example, of how many supervisors we may need at the other campuses," Hatton said. 

"It's not representative of the makeup of the other schools," she said, earning applause from the 80 or so employees who wore black to protest their possible layoffs.

Hatton offered up  in Mission Viejo as perhaps a better baseline, but added that she didn’t know its “socioeconomic makeup.”

Board President Gary Pritchard asked for clarification on what Hatton meant and whether she thought socioeconomic status determines how much supervision children need.

“It’s an equation,” Hatton said. “It’s not one thing or the other. It’s a combination of several things. I think you have to consider all that when you make a determination versus just one or the other.”

Pritchard noted, however, that state law requires supervisor staffing levels to be based solely on student enrollment.

Neither Hatton nor a spokesman for Capistrano Unified returned Patch's requests for comment.

shelly May 15, 2012 at 03:55 PM
southcountynative, And in case you did not notice no one on this comment board is convincing or changing anyone's mind. Everyone is too busy trying googling and trying to show up how the person is part 1: wrong Part 2 contradicted themselves Part 3 naive Part 4 not credible etc.
Ann D May 15, 2012 at 05:03 PM
I won't buy my son a car because I believe he needs to learn the value of money and responsibility. I can do this with him because he has been brought up, trained, and practiced such values. People need to be FIRST educated that there is another way to do things. That is not innate. Teach them a better way, teach them the alternatives because in alot of cases they just don't know. Yes, some do and will always take advantage of the situation. I know that for me, I was a latch key kid at Biola University growing up. My parents and grandparents worked blue collar positions. When I asked about college my parents said "girls don't go to college." I loved roaming that campus and always looked in awe at the "smart" students who attended there. From my upbringing and repeated experience it never would have occurred to me that I could attend that school when I grew up. It was not until I was in my 20's and was playing with my child on the grass of another university when I saw a huge sign that said registration. Jump ahead and 2 degrees later I thankfully had someone teach me (a school counselor) that what I had been taught was wrong and there was another way to do things. Thank god for that person. I believe in helping those that do not know because I know what's it like to not know. And when you know you can change things
shelly May 15, 2012 at 05:24 PM
southcountynative, Yes, schools do run on numbers. The budget for education has been drastically cut and in order to run schools cuts alone will not be enough. We all need to help.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Southcountynative, Yep. something must be done. And yes it requires people to help. Our schools are good. Revenue was cut not because our schools are not good but because tax revenue is down. Your solution is for us all to become immigration police. I understand that is what you think is the answer. I disagree. I will await your lecture.
OC Mom May 15, 2012 at 09:17 PM
SCN, You are onto something. Our Government (since they love to tax) should tax all remittances to Mexico very highly. These folks wire money frequently to their families there and it should be heavily taxed. Based on the cost of all of the social programs this would be a way for our Government to recoup some of these costs. Also, growing up when I lived in another area amongst very poor people I had a close friend who was brought here as a child. She had a green card and her mom was a housekeeper at a hospital. She was my close friend in High School. Her dad was an iron worker and he had another wife and family down in Mexico that he visited and sent money to. This was a source of frustration to her mother, but there was nothing she could do about the situation because even after being the country for 15 plus years her mom didn't speak any English and couldn't support her family on her own. I spent a lot of time over at her house and learned how to make tortillas on the Comal and watched Telenovelas with her family. I'm not racist, but I see the reality of an unsustainable situation. Taxing those remittances to Mexico might be a very good way to generate much needed revenue.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM
southcountynative, Your job at the fortune 500 corporation affords you a lot of time on the computer. I see people working really hard to raise their kids and make a living. If you want to pretend that you know every illegal immigrant's motivation, habits, parenting skills then go ahead. I do not. I just know that they are individuals and historically when people start calling a group of people a "they" and blame them for all the woes of society it is dangerous. You are entitled to feel the way you feel but I do not agree with you. The economy tanked. It was not the fault of our school system and it was not the fault illegal immigration. It was the fault of business practices, people living beyond their means and a housing bubble that burst. My kids all went to Las Palmas Elementary. You can insult me all you want but my reasons for choosing this school are my own. You can assume that you know the reasons and lecture me and insult me for the reasons that you believe that will make you seem superior. I do not care. So be it. Lecture on. It is your right to choose private school for your children but there are thousands of parents in the district who do not want to and cannot afford private schools. They also may not get in because they may not qualify for whatever reason the private school can reject them for.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM
southcountynative, Quite frankly I refuse to teach my children that their needs are more important than anyone else's. Sorry. Lecture me and condemn me. Google, copy, paraphrase and post and google, copy, paraphrase and post away. The economy tanked. Our schools are receiving less and not for anything that they did or didn't do. Simply because our tax revenues are down. You want to reform them and change them, voucher them and charter them. Well, many of us, thousands of us are happy with our schools. Some have no problem having people make a profit on education at private schools and private charters but they condemn public school teachers for making a living. They expect retired teachers to give up their pensions and live on what? I don't know? because of a budget crisis that was not their fault. They call them selfish and thugs after they spent their lifetime educating generations of kids. We all pay taxes even illegal immigrants. We all have our own stories about how much we have done and contributed. I know you have done so very much. I understand that "Ask not what your Country can do for you but what you can do for your Country" went out the window for many in favor of the "me" generation and Fox News, Ken and Bob?, Rush mentality. The pretend you are really listening but do not listen and talk, talk, talk and talk over the person and paraphrase and twist what they are saying so that it appears you are right debate style.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM
southcountynative, But many of us do think of our local schools as Mayberry, a community, something that connects us, something we want to work for. You many not and you can blame whoever you want. I will teach my children that we are responsible for ourselves and the world around us and if we can always do more when something is worth it. Education is worth it to me. Children, legal, illegal, poor, rich, special needs, GATE, behavior challenged or model citizens are currently all welcome in public schools if you want to start fighting to exclude then do so but I for one will not stand by and watch you do it because children are not the root of the problem. They are the solution to make things better and educating all makes it better for all. Lecture on Southcountynative.
Pam Sunderman May 15, 2012 at 10:37 PM
SCN, Are you enrolling your children in private school so that they don't have to attend with the children of illegal immigrants? And I missed your answer to my question about why you would be willing to pay $10,000 a year per child for private school but not .25% extra in sales tax.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:43 PM
Southcountynative, So happy for you. You are so accomplished! Good job.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:47 PM
southcountynative, "You want money, we wont give it and you are gonna see a line of kids at las palmas waiting for the supplies! It is gonna be fun to see this in action," Really? It is going to be fun seeing this in action? You have a strange idea of fun.
Pam Sunderman May 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM
SCN, I wish your children well. I also wish the children of illegal immigrants well. They all deserve an education. Education does not enable disrespect for the law. It enables just the opposite. Education is the key to our democracy.
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:51 PM
southcountynative, What is the girl scout slogan? Recite it while you stand by watching the kids anywhere in need and have your idea of "fun". Lovely day to you, Southcountynative, supermomma!
shelly May 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM
southcountynative, I am sorry about your mom.
shelly May 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM
southcountynative, Oh, is that what you were doing? Conversing. I believe that illegal or legal if someone is in need we should help. And that is what I teach my children. Do a good deed daily and all that. And no, I am not a paranoid person. It was not about fundraising to you it was about trying to show me what you believe about illegal immigrants and to try to show me that I am wrong. I believe that most parents just want what is best for their children. Some are more equipped to supply for their children's needs. Born in a wealthier country, to more educated parents, wealthier parents, etc. And some are born in extreme poverty, ignorance, danger, etc. Some in between. Most would walk through fire for their children. And some have to. I am happy for you that you are able to provide for your family and worked really hard to do it. You walked through you own fire to do this. I am sorry that your mother passed away. I am sorry that your husband had a meth addiction. It is a horrible. I answered most of your questions if I missed a few I am sorry. Have a wonderful day and I will see you standing by having fun while I am try to make sure as many others will that the children of Las Palmas and other schools have their supplies they need to because they are wonderful, innocent and ready to learn.
OC Mom May 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM
Pacific Coast Mama, I was able to comprehend SCN is flipping a home to use the profits to pay for private. God forbid you'd let a non hispanic use a false address to get into a better school. I don't think that is what she's doing, but many families of all races do that to escape our failing schools. Shelly, People make judgements everyday. It is part of what has guaranteed survival of the fitest. We make judgements as to whether a neighborhood is safe to walk in at night. When I'm loading groceries in my car at night I'm aware of my surroundings. Having grown up in a neighborhood that had gang fights and graffiti it is extremely disconcerting to see this type of behavior becoming prevalent in South Orange County. Why is my family spending so much of our hard earned money only to not be able to escape that environment anywhere in CA? Why are only the wealthy able to have safe neighborhoods? I'm sure as a mom you make judgements about your children's friends and whether or not they are a good influence on them. That's what human beings do. Even in South OC as is evidenced by the recent drug documentaries there are high income kids falling to drug addiction. I make judgements and will continue to about all people, circumstances and environments in order to protect my children and our family and guarantee our survival. If they have a friend with a lot of money that's not a good influence I'll put the kibosh on that too. Now, how about taxing those remittances?
bbq May 16, 2012 at 12:44 AM
I really like the idea of taxing the money that is being sent down to Mexico!
Pam Sunderman May 16, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Even for citizens that are sending money to Mexico? Can we also tax money that goes to the Cayman Islands?
OC Mom May 16, 2012 at 01:09 AM
Si Se Puede!
bbq May 16, 2012 at 01:14 AM
JG - Sure, why not?
Pam Sunderman May 16, 2012 at 02:47 AM
SCN, I was referring to the citizens of the US who shelter their money in the Cayman Islands in order to avoid paying taxes. Surely you aren't sanctioning that...it is breaking the law isn't it? Or have they found a way around the law?
Pam Sunderman May 16, 2012 at 03:00 AM
SCN...Some how I sensed you would be an expert in offshore banking...
shelly May 16, 2012 at 04:28 AM
southcountynative, I thought you were done "conversing" and lecturing me about what a bad, bad hypocritical ostrich I am. Ouch. So you actually went to the district to collect your binders, pencils, paper, etc on principal. "I'll show those illegal immigrants. I take all the ticandarogas!" No one will begrudge such a stellar mom as you. You can tell them all and I am sure you told Ms. Christensen about how you pulled yourself up after your struggles and how everyone should be able to too!!! You go lady. Must be so wonderful to be so smart, savvy, unselfish and such a great mentor to all the girls scouts (as long as they are legal and if not no cookie sales from you little girl and take off that green uniform because you will set a bad, bad example for the others!)
shelly May 16, 2012 at 04:29 AM
No your idea of Mayberry is not mine. I don't live in your only help if it doesn't affect you world. Ooops, here comes the lecture of how much you do for everyone and how I am a hypocritical ostrich. The economy tanked and it was not the fault of illegal immigrants, the poor, the teachers, the schools or our district. It was the fault of a housing bubble that burst, irresponsible business practices and people living beyond their means. We are in crisis and it has become ugly because some people start separating and singling people out as the "they" and blaming. Scary stuff here. Very scary. Historically scary. My opinion is do what you can to help and if everyone did a little there would be a lot less to do. Have a lovely night
shelly May 16, 2012 at 04:51 AM
southcountynative, I do think it is best to do what you can and not too start blaming a "they". I understand that your solution is to blame the "they". That is your answer. I disagree with you.
shelly May 16, 2012 at 04:52 AM
southcountynative, I do think it is best to do what you can and not too start blaming a "they". I understand that your solution is to blame the "they". That is your answer. I disagree with you.
shelly May 16, 2012 at 05:03 AM
southcountynative, No one should begrudge a stellar mom. Hey, do you check the citizenship of the girls in your troup? I still believe it is best to help and do what we can. I do not agree with your solutions of singling children out. I disagree with you.
shelly May 16, 2012 at 01:56 PM
southcountynative, Reread my posts. I said we should all help and I did not exclude illegal immigrants. You did. You assume they do not and they won't. Those are your assumptions not mine. You would rather the schools and doctors become immigration police. The budget crisis is occurring now. I believe that things will be cut. Do I want this to happen, no. So my solution is to do what we can immediately to stop drastic cuts from occuring which would be to cut some and increase the revenue some. I totally get that you and bbq want "NO NEW TAXES". I also get that your solution is to have the schools become immigration police. I do not agree. Everybody pays taxes. Even illegal immigrants. These taxes go to education.
ACJ August 17, 2012 at 07:39 AM
Wow, a lot of comments from people who probably never even WENT to one of these schools. Let me tell you all something.... I am not a parent, but i am a kid who grew up in south OC and went to one of these schools... It's the rich white kids who cause more trouble than anyone else. Mind you, I am white, I went to private school for elementary school and then public school for MS and HS and all of the kids in detention or who skipped class, caused trouble, broke into cars, burglarized homes, vandalized school and other property... Majority of the ones I've ever heard about or known about were comitted by spoiled white kids who were bored and whose parents were busy working or didn't care what their kids were doing, or even defended their kids horrible behavior and shrugged it off like 'don't talk badly about my kid' who they think are angels but they are actually the devil incarnate.
Capo Parent August 17, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Yawn, anything else?


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