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New Votes Counted Keep Distance Between Allevato and McCarthy

The numbers will change nightly as the county registers votes from provisional ballots and absentee ballots dropped off at polling places. Kim McCarthy, however, accepts her defeat.

With only 273 votes between second and third place for two seats on the San Juan Capistrano City Council by the time all the precincts checked in, Patch will keep an eye on how the tallies change with the counting of the provisional ballots and absentee ballots dropped off at the polling places.

Each night at 5 p.m., the Orange County Registrar of Voters will update the counts of various elections.

Interestingly, Wednesday the distance between winning and not winning stayed exactly the same, 273 votes, even though both numbers climbed.

“We still have 260,000 ballots left to count,” said Neal Kelley, spokesman for the Registrar. “[W]e do not know how many are left in San Juan at the moment. … Because the universe is so large of ballots countywide, it will take some time to extract the data and attempt to estimate the total number of ballots left in a particular city or district.”

Former Mayor Roy Byrnes received the top nod with 4,810 votes. After serving in the 1970s, Byrnes will return to his post on the City Council nearly 40 years later.

Incumbent Sam Allevato won his third election with 4,057 votes or 21.9 percent of the ballots cast. Challenger Kim McCarthy, who ran as a slate with Byrnes, was behind him with 3,891 votes, or 21 percent.

Wednesday's numbers put Allevato with 4,283 votes, or 22.2 percent and McCarthy at 4,010 votes, or 20.8 percent.

However, McCarthy is not demanding a recount and has accepted her defeat.

“I will continue to work to hold the council majority accountable for the decisions they make that impact all our lives and to share that information with the residents,” she said.

McCarthy also takes a certain gratification that combined with Byrnes’ votes, her slate received 1,200 votes more than Allevato and running partner Ginny Kerr, a San Juan Planning Commissioner, she said.

"While the 'good-old boy' majority still retain the votes needed to continue to raise our water rates and increase our cost of living, at least we know that many more residents are paying attention to what's happening in our town," McCarthy said.

Frank E. November 08, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Isn't it time for a picture of Sam?
Kim November 08, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Yah Frank, there's a picture of Sam in the City Council chambers. You can go stare at it all day long!
Mark @ SJC Chamber November 08, 2012 at 11:16 PM
Wow, had no idea what a firestorm I would set off by suggesting that we try to work together. Didn't seem provocative at the time but... live and learn, I guess. Just to be clear, my initial comment was directed at BOTH sides. I don't think the above comments directed towards Kim M & Councilman Reeve were helpful either. Come December, the new council will be seated and we've all got to work together. In fact, I've already sat down and had a great meeting with Dr. Byrnes. In 10 minutes we found a bunch of things we agree on and areas where we can positively work together. I was reminded how easy it is to find opportunities to get good things done when you get out of 'campaign mode' and just have a friendly, non-political chat. In any event, "SJCNative" is exactly right. I don't have to read these comments. Similarly, you don't have to give a rip what I say. Fair enough!! :)
Frank E. November 08, 2012 at 11:30 PM
Kim: I have a life and a sense of humor. Hope your bitterness tempers over time.
Kim November 08, 2012 at 11:57 PM
Frank..great, then you'll be able to "laugh" while staring at Sam picture, what having a great sense of humor is all about!
Jonathan Volzke November 09, 2012 at 12:03 AM
He won't have to stare at Sam's photo in the chambers, silly Kim. Sam got re-elected, so he'll be sitting on the dais.
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 12:30 AM
Where is the humor Frank? I hope you can develop a sense of humor over time. The rest of us would truly enjoy that.
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Only by the hair on his chinny, chin, chin.
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 12:32 AM
By the way, how did that work out for Ginny Kerr? The last time I checked, she was far below Kim McCarthy.
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 12:42 AM
Mark, fair enough? No, not at all. You are correct, I don't have to give a rip about what you say. However, where it is not fair, is that you dig into the residents pockets each year for $25,000.00. You have been at the Chamber of Commerce for approximately two years. According to the tax returns, prior to you being there, the Chamber had a negative cash balance of approximately -$200.00. However, each year since you have been there, the Chamber has run a negative cash balance at the end of the year of almost $25,000.00. That just so happens to coincide with the amount you receive each year from the City. If the Chamber did not receive that money, it appears the Chamber could suffer from severe financial difficulty. You would think if someone really loved our town as much as they say they do, they would move to SJC. How do you lead a Chamber of Commerce if you dont even live here?
Jonathan Volzke November 09, 2012 at 12:47 AM
Last I looked, "hair on his chinny, chin, chin" was still a win. Ginny ran a great race. She didn't have the benefit of three-plus years of "newsletter editor" publicity. This was also the first time she appeared on the ballot -- McCarthy and Brynes, of course, had been there before. We can argue all we want and develop theories, but who knows. Bottom line: Sam and Roy will be sworn in in December.
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 12:49 AM
Needless to say, I do get upset when someone gets all high and mighty on me.
Kim November 09, 2012 at 12:58 AM
Silly Jon, will Sam be sitting on the dais 24/7? Frank wants a picture of him winning by a small hair on his chinny chin chin!
SJCNative November 09, 2012 at 01:00 AM
Ginny did receive the benefit of five years from the city for being a "planning commissioner". Am I thinking correctly, that you backed her in a editorial column? I maybe confused. Of course, it was the first time that Kramer and Taylor appeared on the ballot and they won. I will agree with you, that we can all want and develop theories on this.
Jonathan Volzke November 09, 2012 at 01:08 AM
It's the city got the benefit of Kerr being a Planning Commissioner for 5 years, and more to come, I hope. And I'd back her again, given the chance.
Jonathan Volzke November 09, 2012 at 01:08 AM
Sorry, Kim -- I forget to expect the nonsensical replies from you. You got me with that one, though!
Kim November 09, 2012 at 04:04 AM
Geez JV..you really believe I am one of the Kim's...how foolish, or have I been fooling everyone all along just becasue of my nick-name. Remember what I have said, I am not Kim Mc, or Kim L...Expand your "silly" mind, is there a possiblility in a city of 39k that there is another Kim who wants to have little to do with you or your antics/bias reporting/opinions. Dude, figure it out, or don't!
Rhen Kohan November 09, 2012 at 04:30 PM
@Mark @ SJC Chamber 3:16 pm on Thursday, November 8, 2012 Wow, had no idea what a firestorm I would set off by suggesting that we try to work together. Didn't seem provocative at the time but... live and learn, I guess."..... Mark...it's all in the timing that lends then to the perception and just a few days after is just too sensitive. I also learned from reading the subsequent comments yesterday that you live outside of SJC, and that along with wanting to build fruitful relations in SJC seems to require you think extra long before you say. I was gratified to see you and Roy met this week. That you saw Roy's ability to work well with the Chamber says you know a good thing when you experience it. Good for you and extended wishes for that to continue.
Kelley November 09, 2012 at 04:45 PM
@SJCNative if you're so upset by the goings on at the Chamber, why don't you become a member, get on the board of directors, and then make a change? The Chamber does a lot to promote small businesses in our City. Also, you don't have to live in the City to be employed by the Chamber. I'm sure that a lot of the people who work at City Hall don't live in San Juan, and that's okay. As long as everyone works TOGETHER and cuts the negativity and blame that's constantly being thrown around, we can make our City a better place. Personally, other than the traffic, I absolutely love our little town, and plan to stay here for many more years to come.
Frank E. November 09, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Kim Thank you for telling me what I want!
SJCNative November 10, 2012 at 03:36 AM
I was not "upset at the goings on at the chamber". Gosh no. I am upset that it is supported financially by the taxpayers in our city. The head cheerleader for the Chamber has so many great things to say about our city, but chooses not to live in it? He loves and promotes our city so much, but does not live here, but he will take our taxpayer money. Then he admonishes us that the election is over, lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya. Funny someone who admonishes us about elections does not even participate in the voting for candidates in our city. If the Chamber is to promote business, then why are they so politically active with our taxpayer money?
Kim November 10, 2012 at 04:35 AM
SJCNative..the Chamber is simply a TAKER.....their goal is to get the City Council to support them thru tax payer money, get what they can, then support those who support them in return..simple politics. Like you, I have an issue that Mark does not live in our city... Perhaps just a cheer leaders job, like Jon Volzke's..cheer us on to bankruptcy... Mark, did you vote here? I think not since you are not a resident, and that tells us you really don't have an interest in our City, it's simply a job for you!
SJCNative November 10, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Kim, well said. I would like to add to your last sentence " this is not a job for us, it is our home. Please respect our home as we do yours ( in another city ).
Kim November 10, 2012 at 05:08 AM
Yes, SJC Native..you have my permission to add your comments...we obviously share a common goal in a desire to achieve the best for our community and respect for our City in which we live. Yo have it be the best it can be.... How can an out-sider like Mark, working for the Chamber, ever feel like we do, it's impossible.
JessC November 10, 2012 at 10:08 PM
Kim, SJCNative is correct that the Chamber receives $ 25,000 each year from the City to fund its operations. It is my understanding that the money is to be used to help promote tourism in the City. If what SJCNative says is true about the Chamber consistently losing money, I would like to know why the City continues to gift our hard earned money to an organization that operates at a deficit. Mark, I am a Chamber member and owner of a business in town, and would like to know the reason for the continued decling financial health of the Chamber while at the same time membership dues are rising, and what is your plan to get the Chamber back in the black.
JessC November 10, 2012 at 10:19 PM
I believe Mr. Bodenhammer lives in Irvine. The dynamics between the two Cities are like night and day. I know because I lived there.
SJCNative November 10, 2012 at 10:37 PM
JessC, here are the exact dollar figures. The figures I used before were from my memory: 2008-2009 $150.00 Deficit 2009-2010 $ 26,754.00 Deficit 2010-2011 $ 22,438.00 Deficit I agree totally. There is a hidden motivation, and it has now become quite obvious that motivation is money. The Chambers fiscal house is not in order at all. That is almost a $50,000 deficit over two years and it does not appear that there is any turnaround in the near future. This Chambe is very politically motivated and does not take a neutral stance on projects in town. Yet, they cannot keep their fiscal house in order as a non-profit. Maybe a new Chamber should be started that is located downtown comprised of volunteers. The new chamber would not take taxpayer money from the city and would have a lower cost to belong to allow more businesses to join and make it a stronger chamber without all of the politics this Chamber currently has. Just my thought. I bet we could get some people to donate their time to form the non-profit. There is some space next to Regency movie theater at the corner that is not being used. Maybe Mission Grill would allow a kiosk at his location next to the fence, which would bring in more people to Mission Grill. There are lots of ideas to make this work without city money.
SJCNative November 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM
Thanks. I new he did not live in SJC. I just could not remember where he lived. Hard to promote a city and say how great it is when you don't even live there. I wonder how many other people on the Board of Directors don't live in our city?
Rhen Kohan November 11, 2012 at 02:16 AM
To @SJCNative 3 hours ago JessC, here are the exact dollar figures. The figures I used before were from my memory: ......" I like the ideas you mention about the Chamber here...in cities I've lived in or visited, I like it when possible for the Chamber to be in walking distance within the areas most visited which would be around the Mission, the Amtrak Station, so the spot by the Regency seems perfect. I'm not in business at this time in this city so cannot speak from first hand experience with the Chamber but your rundown of the figures for the last years in commenting to Jess C seems to portray a business relationship for the City the Council should thoroughly re-address.
Kim November 11, 2012 at 02:39 AM
SJCNative,SJC5772...all very good suggestions. The location next to the Theatre is a great idea, and I like having volunteers..they are there becasue they want to be and are enthusiastic to have people visit "their" town. Something is just not right when you mix the Chamber, the City, politics and money together. I hope some of these new ideas can be implemented.

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