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Dad Says School Board Member Threatened Him

A San Clemente man who is Mormon says CUSD Trustee John Alpay demanded he take down a political website or risk not "getting into the Celestial Kingdom." Alpay, who is an inactive Mormon, says he wouldn't insult his own faith.

A San Clemente father claims Capistrano Unified school board member John Alpay threatened him in a phone conversation earlier this week.

Ken Starks came before the school board Wednesday night to call for Alpay’s resignation on grounds that the trustee threatened to find out where he lives and “take [him] down.”

The accusation came during the public comments portion of the agenda, so Alpay could not respond.

But on Thursday, Alpay told Patch: "Ken Starks' comments are slanderous and unfortunate at best. Simply put, there is no place in a school board election for threats to be made against a person's family."

Alpay is one of two incumbents seeking re-election this November. Starks, a recent transplant from Arizona, runs whoisjohnalpay.com, a political website criticizing Alpay's record.

According to Starks, when Alpay found contact information for the site, he called and said: “You have 24 hours to take down that site – or watch out – I will find out where you live and take you down.”

Starks, a Mormon, told trustees Alpay even disparaged his religion. In a transcript  Starks said he penned shortly after the phone call (see the PDF accompanying this article), Alpay also said:

“Do you want to get into the Celestial Kingdom, Ken? If you do, I suggest you take down the site.”

Alpay, in an email to Patch, said the allegation doesn't make sense because he's a Mormon too, albeit inactive: "I have to question the logic and sincerity of Mr. Starks' accusations if he claims I insulted my own belief system."  

At Wednesday's school board meeting, Alpay asked Superintendent Joe Farley whether Starks’ comments could be slanderous. Farley said yes.

Starks and other men with him then shouted that they could continue the conversation privately after the meeting.

Alpay was later seen leaving the board chambers with two Orange County sheriff’s deputies.

In his email to Patch, Alpay said threats against a family have no place in an election and cited his own experience two years ago.

"During the 2010 campaign, my wife was assaulted in our own home while trying to protect our three young children and even had to place an emergency call to 911 given the actions of one of [candidate] Steve Lang's current supporters," he said.

The police report from that incident paints a different picture (see PDF). The deputy called to the scene said Alpay wanted to file burglary and assault charges against a female process server who tossed some legal papers onto the floor of Alpay's house after his wife answered the door. 

"It was determined no crime occurred," the deputy wrote.

When Alpay returned home, he became upset and called San Clemente City Councilman Jim Dahl, asking him to intervene with the chief of police, according to the report. 

The deputy wrote that he believed Alpay was trying to intimidate him.

Don James October 26, 2012 at 05:23 PM
Ms. Walker: I am aghast that you would compromise your professional credibility to openly come to the defense of this fool by writing such an inaccurate and inane post! I know that you are waist deep in the union swamp, and it is high time to circle the wagons for one of your own endorsees, but you have stooped to a level that is below moronic standards. A rebuttal point by point: “A stranger comes to your home and scares your wife who is home alone with your three young children.” You imply that this is some big bad wolf trying to blow her house down. In fact, it was a lady who sheepishly gave her the papers. If you read the police report, she was hesitant to do so, saying “sorry” about it. Second, it was at 815 pm in August. This is around twilight, so it wasn’t in the dead of night. Third, they don’t live in the slums, so if there were a genuine problem, surely neighbors would have come to her rescue and patrol officers would have been there instantly. “Mr. Alpay did nothing wrong and did not break any laws.” ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DID YOU READ THE REPORT?! He admitted to driving 90 mph to get to his house, and if he were going to get pulled over, he would have disregarded the officer’s commands. That certainly was breaking the law.
Don James October 26, 2012 at 05:24 PM
“Nor did he act in a way that would be surprising given what had recently occurred at his residence.” NOTHING occurred at his residence. His wife was merely served with legal papers; that’s it. Ms. Walker, what would you do to a student if he threw a major temper tantrum because you did not let him be the first in line for recess? If you do nothing, you have zero control over your class. That kid needs to be punished, correct. No criminal charges are warranted in Alpay’s case, but for you to blow it off as if it is acceptable behavior completely astounds me. “Once he had the opportunity to calm down, he apologized for his behavior.” Where in the report did he ever apologize for his conduct? Answer: He didn’t. In fact, he had implied that he was going to take legal action against the server.
Don James October 26, 2012 at 05:25 PM
“There was no need to pull up a report that was over two years old to try and find something that did not exist.” Umm…perhaps you need to revisit the reason why we are discussing this at all. Alpay stated on the record that, ‘During the 2010 campaign, my wife was assaulted in our own home while trying to protect our three young children and even had to place an emergency call to 911 given the actions of one of [candidate] Steve Lang's current supporters.’ So what does a prudent person do? He looks at the source documents to determine the veracity of the accusations. In this case, Alpay’s statement fails again. Yet you try to kick it under the rug like it is no big deal.
Don James October 26, 2012 at 05:26 PM
“As for Mr. Lang, where is his proof that he received a threatening phone call?” Well, first of all, it was not Mr. Lang who brought forth the accusations. But if you are alluding to Mr. Stark and his statement, let’s start with the fact that Alpay has -made a fool of himself on the dais by illegally moving to close debate, making obnoxious motions that are supposed to be funny, and talking sarcastically to CUSD staff (among others). -lied about his political intentions. He was going to serve until 2012 and then run for CC. That obviously isn’t happening. -set up dummy URL’s to divert traffic to sites that support him and made a mockery of his campaign with his staff flipping off opponents. And… -implied that his former political opponent was a child molester. Have you ever heard the term, “Where there is smoke, there is fire.”? Maybe you’re right, Ms. Walker. He probably isn’t capable of making threats to opponents. But one has to wonder, Why would Alpay call this man unsolicited?
Don James October 26, 2012 at 05:26 PM
“…I can assure you that John Alpay is NOT the one who decides whether or not a person may enter the Celestial Kingdom.” Well, duh!!! “We need to stop this "game" of trying to slam down good people who serve our school district.” So who else do you consider to be “good”? Bernie Madoff? Barry Bonds? Saul Alinsky? Lenin? In your little fantasy union world, those “good” individuals are those who will do anything to promote the cause, in your case, protection of salary and benefits. If that means leaving a threatening letter, so be it. A little violence? No biggie. Counter that with those individuals like Winsten and KLM who wanted to save more teachers from the unemployment line, but they aren’t “good” in your eyes. As a teacher, you should be ashamed of supporting somebody who conducts himself in the manner which Alpay does. I hope your kindergarteners don’t look to Alpay as a role model like you do. Truly pathetic!! http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2010/09/capo-recall-the-john-alpay-interview/
O Captain! My Captain! October 26, 2012 at 05:30 PM
Reading that brought me pure joy. Thank you, Don James. Awesome.
fact checker October 26, 2012 at 05:40 PM
You need to take these allegations to the site administrator because it is unethical and illegal for any school employee to do any of the things you are accusing them of. Anonymous posts are not a sufficient action on your part. If you believe your children are at risk you have an obligation to protect them. I would certainly never leave my children in a place where I felt they were at risk. Isn't there one person at your local school that you would trust to follow up with your concerns? Staying silent is not an option if your concerns are founded in fact. Why has no one come forward to the school board with these allegations? Mr. Stark said nothing about threats from a teacher to his children. There is no hidden agenda on my part. I am here to hold people such as yourself accountable for their misleading information.
PDub October 26, 2012 at 05:48 PM
apparently he is....records were checked....inactive since '95...clearly with this behavior. perhaps a visit by the missionaries is in order?
Seriously? October 26, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Fact checker, of course you have nothing to worry about because you bleed union blue. Not everyone is like that. I have witnessed the conduct discussed above and have reported it to various school officials. Do you know what happens if you complain that a teacher is ignoring your child? Guess what, it only gets worse. I'm glad you haven't had to deal with this situation, but some of us have. No one has come forward to the Board? Umm, aren't we talking about a parent who came forward to the board because a board member threatened him and his family? Mr. Starks didn't talk about any threats from a teacher, but he can connect the dots from a board member's threat down to the teachers. I think he's brave for coming forward. Most would stay quiet and just hope to fly under the radar without ruffling the union's feathers. I commend him for standing up to Alpay and calling him out for what he did.
PDub October 26, 2012 at 05:58 PM
FC...of all these events, are you saying you do not believe that there is ANY truth to them? That none of this behavior concerns you about your childrens welfare at the schools? You mean you arent going to speak to the "Site Administrator"? Put yourself in our shoes if you can....if presented with these allegations, that have more than enough evidence to suggest guilt, wouldnt you be screamin bloody murder too?Please dont reply with more questions about what allegatioons, what proof, or the usual avoidance techniques...just play along and gives hope that you might actually be someone that feels violated by Alpays/CF's actions. BTW Parents are going to the schools and reporting these things. They are standing up for their children. We are kinda pissed and heads should roll...
Ken Starks October 26, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Things just get more interesting around these parts! Alpay and his supporters have been maligning Steve Lang saying the Mormons are trying to buy a board seat in CUSD -- but their Mormon already did that apparently with union money as I read from all the comments I see here. Now that Alpay admits he is also LDS (which has been confirmed) -- which one is it John Alpay -- "those nasty Mormons " or "I would never insult my religion"? It doesn't seem possible to have it both ways.
fact checker October 26, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Connect the dots? A board member puts out a notice to teachers to mistreat a child because the board member doesn't like the actions of a the parent? Seriously?
fact checker October 26, 2012 at 06:36 PM
If teachers are abusing children then their heads should roll. But all we have here is a suggestion to connect the dots. There is no proof offered of any of this. Penny would be happy to report any allegations against teachers. Your accusations stay buried in anonymous posts...which is the only place that will allow them. Why are your children still attending schools where you consider them at risk?
Don James October 26, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Well if it is now confirmed that Alpay is LDS, he has just replaced Harry Reid as the scummiest Mormon on Earth. All other Mormons are great!
PDub October 26, 2012 at 06:40 PM
Nice Fact Deflector.....you couldnt even be a human...hope your keyboards dont get to covered with all that cheetoh dust they mustbe exposed to....
PDub October 26, 2012 at 06:45 PM
Indeed Don
allison grey October 26, 2012 at 07:04 PM
Wow, I guess I didn't check my facts thoroughly. Mr. Alpay... you can't have it both ways! We are either radical right wing extremists or you are one of us? My head is spinning. This is a curve ball I didn't expect.
Capo Parent October 26, 2012 at 07:29 PM
I guess that makes I'llpay, I'llcheat, I'lllie & I'll deceive aka cyberfrauder a non-practicing Mormon political hack who will do and say anything to be elected to any post or position. That's got to be a first. It wouldn't surprise me if the the LDS publicly renounces I'llpay as member given his acts and conduct, and his use of his LDS membership strictly for political purposes since he admits to not being an active LDS member for years.
Seriously? October 26, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Alpay with a political agenda? Gives even more support for the SC Times letter... http://www.sanclementetimes.com/blog/2012/10/24/letter-to-the-editor-questions-about-alpay/
Finds much irony in life October 26, 2012 at 08:05 PM
Saw this on another site today. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1702064511925 It looks like it is from the last election though.
Penny Arévalo (Editor) October 26, 2012 at 08:16 PM
Ken, watch the video again. You and someone are speaking over them, but Mr. Alpay did ask Dr. Farley if what was said was "potentially slanderous," and Dr. Farley said yes.
Capo Parent Too October 26, 2012 at 08:19 PM
So do others who do not support their candidates or they wouldn't be able to actually post details of those emails on the Patch.
Seriously? October 26, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Thanks for sharing, irony. I especially love the part where Alpay passionately states that he is "not a union-backed candidate." A lot sure seems to have happened in the last two years for Alpay.
PDub October 27, 2012 at 05:26 AM
ya thats priceless....need to make new signs that say "I baptized Alpay" bahahahaha
Penny Arévalo (Editor) October 27, 2012 at 05:33 AM
While public officials are more open to attack and criticism than average citizens, I think it in bad taste to discuss someone's faith (or lack thereof). I respectfully ask that it end here. Thanks.
Ken Starks October 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Penny -- I agree with you that Mr Alpay's chosen path, whatever that may be, should not be attacked. I think the reason that sentiment may exist here is simply because some may be feeling duped with weeks of derogatory comments about "Mormon Barbie" or "Mormons want to buy a seat at the CUSD", "announcements from the pulpit" etc.etc. Now to find that Mr Alpay is indeed LDS and is aghast that anything in his call was any more than purely innocent....I think that's what people may have issue with. But again -- I agree, religion, whatever choice people may make is a very personal choice and needs to be respected as do children and jobs.
Capo Parent October 27, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Ken I don't think people are attacking Alpay for his faith, or more accurately, his lack of faith. What people are questioning and ridiculing Alpay for is the fact that he interjected his faith in the race roughly 2 weeks before the election strictly for political purposes. Alpay's faith is not at issue, its his use of his faith for political purposes is at issue and is fair game.
shelly October 28, 2012 at 06:30 PM
Penny, This is the only thing that happened at the CUSD board meeting? And this is the only thing printed in the patch about the board meeting? And even a picture from the paparazzi.
Capo Parent October 29, 2012 at 02:09 PM
Alpay has a documented history of being a bully, whether by phone, in person or on the dais.
shelly October 29, 2012 at 08:01 PM
Penny, Did anything else happen at the board meeting or is this the only reporting that the patch will be doing on that meeting? I guess I will check elsewhere.

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